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Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by VadersLaMent, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    HERE

    [image=http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02106/Marines_urinating__2106722c.jpg]

     
  2. duende

    duende Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    yeah, that's pretty hot, but i have some stuff on my hd that's way better than that.
     
  3. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    It's not honorable to urinate on the men you just shot to death.
     
  4. Koohii

    Koohii Jedi Master star 5

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    At least they waited until they were dead.

    British army did that to a crowd in India before they were booted out.
     
  5. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Or any dead person for that matter. I hope the video's fake, because it's pretty appalling.
     
  6. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Eh, I don't think it's more appalling than the war itself or treatment of living Taliban prisoners or a number of other things. Sure, it's a PR nightmare especially with regards to the Muslim community. But these are men whose job it is to disregard the sanctity of the lives of the opposing combatants-- except when they put their hands up, and even then it's kind of iffy. It's not really much of a stretch for them to treat lifeless corpses, which are practically inanimate objects, with the same sort of "respect."
     
  7. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Unless some major shocker occurs that I am unaware of the video is legit.
     
  8. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Seems like the ultimate act of disrespect to me. You're right that there are a lot of problems with the treatment of detained enemy combatants, but I don't think the fact of conflict means that this sort of thing is expected. It isn't. I'm told that soldiers don't think about high-minded stuff when they're in the heat of combat and instinct takes over, which is unfortunate, but even to the extent that's true, there are standards and there's especially no excuse when you're outside immediate danger.
     
  9. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    They're dead. They don't care. Now, if they were alive, that would be a different story. But dead is dead. It doesn't matter what happens to your corpse after you perish.
     
  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I was being sarcastic, timmo, as I made clear in my subsequent post.
     
  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Ok, and tell that to the judge when you're prosecuted for war crimes.
     
  12. timmoishere

    timmoishere Force Ghost star 6

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    In order for there to be a crime, there has to be a victim. Who are the victims in this case? I don't hear them complaining about anything.
     
  13. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    So what if they had raped the corpses? To extreme? Draw a line on behavior to wartime corpses.
     
  14. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    timmo: Ah, I see, so murder's fine because the dead can't complain? I'm glad you're not in charge of anything. You are aware that the victims don't actually sue the criminals in criminal trials, right?
     
  15. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    In the grand scheme of things...this really isn't a story. Pissing on a corpse, while insulting, isn't exactly an atrocity.
     
  16. kingthlayer

    kingthlayer Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yes it is, we should hold ourselves to higher standards than that. Bury them, according to local customs if possible.
     
  17. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I think everyone in the world are kind, selfless people. We should all be taking turns pushing each other on swings and eating ice cream together. I am actually baffled that a war somehow accidentally started. I can't wait for this shocking disagreement to be over. One conflict in the history of mankind will have been more than enough for my taste, thank you very much.
     
  18. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Not only should, but must. It's the law: see, e.g., the First, Third, and Fourth Geneva Conventions, the NATO Standardization Agreement 2070, customary international law, and the U.S. Field Manual.

    Yes, it is. It's a war crime.
     
  19. Esperanza_Nueva

    Esperanza_Nueva Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Quoted. for. truth.
     
  20. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Respect for dead bodies is one of the oldest virtues in humanity. Read the Illiad, or Antigone. The act is morally deplorable, illegal, and is already threatening to make things much worse for us in Afghanistan.
     
  21. Aytee-Aytee

    Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master star 5

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    I'll keep that in mind next time I scream about how great martyring myself for a god that may or may not exist is and then open fire at at a professional military. [face_salute]
     
  22. Mustafar_66

    Mustafar_66 Force Ghost star 6

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    I'm failing to see how this is a contentious issue. Does the US military not have a standard to which it must hold itself to? How can you possibly take the moral high ground if you don't condemn this completely and utterly?
     
  23. DantheJedi

    DantheJedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I would happen to think this is against the Geneva Conventions.....
     
  24. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    QMAOFT.

    Any time a person anywhere in the universe wrongs another person that I can claim some tenuous affiliation with, I have free license to lash out in any way I see fit against those I correctly or incorrectly associate with said original offender.

    Which is why it's a good thing no one ever did anything unjustifiable and wrong to any Muslim in history, lest the sort of logic you endorsed actually justify the event you are trying to condemn.

    Oh, wait.
     
  25. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    So I suppose you wouldn't mind us flaming you and breaking the TOS the next time you're banned because, after all, you did something ban worthy to begin with so we shouldn't bother with the rules anymore either?

    It isn't contentious, at least as far as the United States is concerned. The U.S. Marine Corps. has already released a statement that while they don't have confirmation that the video is legit, they find the behavior deplorable and unacceptable and that if legit, actions will be taken.

    edit: Better to just quote the article: A spokesman for the Marine Corps said: "While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines in our Corps.