ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

i dont think i can buy those three new books, they are for middle school age.

 

Someone here suggested that around the time of the Jakku battle there happened a split between Luke and the Rebels. What if Luke did not agree with the Rebels and how they destroyed helpless/defeated imperials? Maybe he switched sides and saved the imperials from being killed? Then there was a rift between Rebels and Luke with Han/Leia in the middle of it. And Luke stayed on Jakku.

 

and what? Set up a Jedi Academy for the Imperials? I don't think they'll go that route.

EDIT: What if Luke sets up a small Jedi Order for the Republic before leaving, perhaps to search for the KoR or AfB. Jedi would not be present in FO controlled space as the NR isn't helping, thus the Resistance and no Jedi presence.

 

not a Jedi Academy for Imperials, but for everyone. Maybe Luke doesn't think in black/white anymore after the events of ROTJ. The whole defection of Finn sets up such things already or the Lost Stars novel.

 

I still think he would set up the academy in more friendlier confines than the Imperials he just help to defeat

 

I knew it would be. Luke fans are easily startled.

Just remember this is a quote from a dark sider and not particularly reliable as a predictor of future events.

 

wait I thought it was a quote from Palps former advisor Tashu who supposedly doesn't seem to have powers and is a historian of sorts none of which means he's a darksider.

 

Ok, bad guy. Palp's advisor. He is suddenly more reliable?

 

never said he was reliable he sounds like a follower of the darksiders but isn't one himself and with a book set less than a year after Endor what does he know about anything??? He kinda sounds like a leech. His quote about Luke

for all we know it could mean let him be for now his time will come when the darskisde Snoke wants to deal with him.

 

The idea of Luke deciding to walk away from the war and become more impartial while attempting to build a new Jedi Order is actually kinda intriguing to me. Not that Luke himself would necessarily have a rift with the Rebellion and defect to the Imperials, but the idea of deciding to be open-minded about his potential pupils and separated from either party actually makes sense. Especially after the conclusion of RotJ, with Luke finally being able to redeem Vader and all.

 

I LOVE the idea of an impartial Jedi Order, one GUARDING peace and justice and not SERVING a particular government. I just don't think the best place to build such an order is in the middle of an Imperial crash site.

 

Fair enough. However, from what I understand of the Aftermath spoilers, Jakku seems to essentially be "MEGA Tatooine," in that nothing truly happens there (until the Battle, of course). It comes off as a barren wasteland. With that sort of isolation in mind, I could see Luke selecting Jakku as his base of operation for the new Jedi Order.

I don't think Luke's Order was going to be as proactive as the Lawful Good Paladin types we saw in the PT, but perhaps more akin to that original plan of the Jedi Masters (i.e. OT Yoda/"wizards") and a small number of Jedi Knights (i.e. Obi-Wan) for emergency situations. It could even be that Luke had no intention of having his Jedi be active "guardians of peace and justice" at all until he felt that the Order was more firmly established.

 

the problem with supposed impartial is that the First Order seems evil, Rey and Finn are allies/friends (maybe even members for all we know) with the Resistance who fight the Order so how does Luke or the Jedi stay impartial when all the villains like Snoke/Knight of Ren are on one side....

 

By impartial I mean not serving a particular government. When the FO does evil things they would act. If the Republic did evil things they would act. Impartially and as guardians of peace and justice, not as agents of any particular government.

 

yeah but even then it still feels like they might not be fully impartial towards the Resistance that they are at least allies with them.

 

I agree, may be as Jakku is a graveyard, littered with relics from a previous war? May be it reminds Luke of Tatooine? The only thing that has given any indication that it's Jakku is that it seems to be the same sand and rocky environment that we see in other confirmed Jakku scenes.

I came up with the theory that when the KoR attacked Luke's academy they kidnapped Kylo and Rey ran off. But then that doesn't explain the rumour that she was living with Han and Chewie and at some point stole the Falcon. There's just too many little gaps at the moment stopping the picture becoming clear.

 

Not by me, since I don't expect that any darksider would be happy with what Luke achieved in ROTJ. So it is fine to start some drama/tension, but the final execution and characterization of Luke in the ST is what really counts for me.

 

People seem to be having a hard time separating Luke from the EU and Luke from current canon. Luke resisted the dark side, but the Emperor got close to turning him, the only reason he stopped was because he had the grim realization that he was not only at risk of becoming his father, but he had already begun to. I'm not saying I believe he's turned to the dark side, but he's not necessarily this completely pure selfless perfect all mighty Jedi we saw in the EU. Yes Lucas said Luke becomes the most powerful of all Jedi, but he also said Han was grilling on Naboo with Leia. The fact is at the end of Jedi Luke was all that was left, his sister wasn't necessarily a viable student and he has no experience teaching the ways of the force. He was tasked with rebuilding this intricate order of spiritual knights by himself in a dark dangerous world that had it in for him. If he never was able to get an academy going or do the stuff he did the EU, then it doesn't detract from him as a character, but rather emphasizes his struggle. Furthermore if Han and Leia lost their children because of his personal quest, they would surely hate him the same way Owen and Beru felt disdain for Obi-Wan.

 

I can see Luke struggling, but would have a hard time seing Han/Leia hate him.

 

I recently had to pick out a bunch of essays and books on craft for a creative writing class I'm teaching this semester. On character, I ran across this passage that relates to the approach JJ and LK are taking with Luke:

From Jerome Stern's Making Shapely Fiction:

 

I have not read the entire ammount of pages I have missed. Just came back from holidays. But SW7N have always seemed to try their best to contradict MSW. Particularly that Pomojema guy, who was particularly harsh with MSW in their forums. Luke saving the day goes against Rey meeting him in Skellig Michael at the end. And we have already seen that the Skellig stuff is happening.

I find it a bit sad to have a popular fan site trying to pass their preferences against the evidence.

 

Here's the thing though: we don't need to have our interest "piqued", nor do we need to " heighten" the arrival of Luke Skywalker. Most of us have waited over thirty years to see him again, and we're already very anxious to see him and to know what he has been doing for over three decades. It's not as though the filmmakers need to get us interested in the character. In fact, this particular approach is only ANNOYING a lot of us instead of building our interest, by making us wait an extra two years to find out about the character.

 

Oh, well. That sucks for you guys.

 

Luke Skywalker is not the only thing in Star Wars; He's in the next 3 films, have a little faith and confidence in story and plan moving forward or don't

 

That may be so but you can't deny that the common theme for Episode I - VI are the Skywalkers...