ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in Episode VII

Will u stop making bs arguments? Where have I ever said "Luke Lives Happily Ever After"....I have no problem with adversity and challenges. Luke doing nothing for years after another Order 66 now that I have issues with. I dont think its consistent with Luke's Character and I dont think it effectively flows from the OT. Execution is King of course but I am not buying that or that its the only way we can drive forward the story.

 

This is my main issue with the Luke rumors. I believe that almost the same story could be told without this contrivance to reset the galaxy to ANH position.

 

Either way, how is any of this inconsistent with the "overarching themes"? ESB, for example, was in part about how life doesn't always go the way you planned once you step out into the real world. Maybe one of the themes of TFA will be that, as you get older, you need to embrace your role as a mentor to the next generation, even if that means watching them make the same mistakes you did, or carrying the burden of your own perceived failures.

 

In esb they still has Luke in character, and told a good story. But Luke already had his test. Luke does not need the struggle for character dev. Luke should be Luke, and leave the development to Rey and Finn.

 

My main concern is that the filmmakers realize that the OT was the OT for a reason. Lucas may have thought up a prequel and sequel trilogy later on, but the OT story is the one he chose to tell first and foremost. If you're building a sequel trilogy on that, to not pay respect to what came before would be a huge disservice to that. A big problem with the PT is that it was all essentially backstory - it was the Robert's Rebellion of the series, which informs and gives layers to the main story but there's a reason why it wasn't the main story. A sequel should feel like a natural extension of what came before, not a reboot. Otherwise just do a reboot if you don't want to work within the confines of what was set up before.

 

First, thanks a valid argument. Second, what do u think Star Wars "Themes" are?

My problem is this I think they just decided on an OT setting set 30 years later (roughly equivalent to real world time passed) and then forced characters into positions to fit the rough makeup that we had in the OT. This works fine for someone like Leia but for Luke.......

 

I was super bummed, after watching the prequels, that of the only two surviving good guys, one of them dies in ep 4 and the other isn't even IN episode 4. And he's only in ONE act in ep 5, even less in ep 6

AND...they both say around and did absolutely nothing for 20 years

 

difference is all 3 of the OT heroes survive and they were together as heroes the day was won. Whereas by the end of Episode III Anakin became evil and started to wreck havoc and Kenobi exiled himself to watch over Luke. The ST, Han/Leia are involved and have a good role but Luke is turned to Yoda 2.0, not really the same thing.

 

Plus its a prequel so Lucas is locked in with their fates

 

That's the fault of the prequels though.. we never needed to see Obi-Wan and Yoda as younger characters, that's something they decided to do later. As I said, it was all backstory to serve the OT and the development of Luke at the time.

 

Isn't he more Obi-Wan 2.0...waiting until the time is right to train Rey?

 

He is, but by "us fans" he means Han Solo/Harrison Ford fanboys and people who think Luke sucks.

 

Doesn't matter WHY Lucas did the prequels. Point is, there is precedence for these types of characters. I know a lot of people like Luke, but this is not Luke's movie, just like the OT was not obiwan's

 

The movie or the series?

Why can't TFA have something to say about the journey faced in late adulthood?

 

You mean by giving Luke 2 (or 3) movies and Han 1?

Doesn't compute

 

not really he seems more like Yoda, on some planet by himself, if he watched over Rey it would be like Yoda did through the force, the "New Hope/Luke" has to go and look for this Old Master to train her (just like Luke and Yoda). He was most likely the Grand Master or whatever title and he seems to exile himself after Order 66 2.0. All like Yoda.

 

Here's the thing though: if the MSW rumors are true, I don 't see this film as being what happened after thirty years. We still have a form of empire against rebels; there doesn't seem to be even a fledgling republic; and there was apparently a Jedi order that Luke started which has already been destroyed. There doesn't seem to be any progress which has taken place in over thirty years.

Then, add to that the fact that there may be a rift between Han and Leia and that Luke has been living all alone in exile for over ten years, despite the fact that the galaxy is a mess and there are darkside force users around that only he would be able to do something about at this time, and he's communing on an island mountaintop or whatever. None of it makes any sense, and none of it sounds like a very good or enjoyable or logical story to me. I can only hope that by some miracle, MSW is wrong, or I am pretty sure I am going to hate this movie.

 

Again, as I have pointed out time and again, there is no guarantee that Luke will have a more substantial role in VIII or IX, and there is zero chance he will be the lead in either of them like Han is in TFA. Han's presence, emphasis, screentime and death in TFA and Harrison Ford's star power will easily overshadow the introductions of Rey, Finn and Poe and Kylo will be hated because he kills Han.

 

Yoda was Obi-Wan 2.0 after Lucas had to figure out how to get around killing off his mentor figure before he could train Luke. Qui-Gon was Obi-Wan 3.0 after he made Anakin younger in TPM. So Luke will actually be Obi-Wan 4.0 beta release 1 in TFA. The full 4.0 RTM will be unveiled for Episode VIII.

 

Except I'm not talking about WHY he did the prequels but the fact that he chose to use the prequel story as background information for the OT first and foremost. We all know that authors are always tempted to do prequels because fans think they want them, but there's always a reason why the prequel story isn't the main story.

 

Lot of assumin you're doing on a movie we know little about still

 

Well, we have a 90% accurate detailed plot outline.

 

Well, since they appear to be providing fan service in so many other ways: empire, rebels, x-wings, ties, AT-aT, stormtroopers, a Vader figure, a huge dose of Han Solo, the droids, etc., why would it be so terrible to devote a few minutes to having the big three back together again? People only seem to use that excuse when they aren't interested in seeing something in the film. Why not let the fans get a satisfied feeling after waiting over thirty years? I don't see how it would be detrimental to the movie. Sounds like a win to me.

 

really do you believe all the rumors here in this social media forum? Seems a lot do which supposedly tells the whole movie

 

I honestly never ever liked the unoriginal idea of Luke being a Kenobi/Yoda 2.0 or him being anything like either of them, he showed time and again that he was his own man that followed his own path. To end up like them is nothing but wasted/missed opportunity. All the different possible path for the character and we end up with this been there done that path that doesn't put the character in good light if rumors are true and is pretty inconsistent with the character too.

I know I'll never get what I would have wanted to see in Luke in the ST or anything near it because of this rehash but I hope I can at least get something that's acceptable in my book for his character.