ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in the ST

I think Luke doesn’t know who Rey is. If she’s his daughter he would have thought her dead for 14 years. He likely thinks he must be off his rocker and thinks it’s simply his desperate wishful thinking that makes him feel like he knows this girl.

 

Maybe, but the cracking rock is already a demonstration. But "raw strength" is kind of like "raw talent." It can only take you so far. My daughter is a "raw talent" type. She is pretty good at almost everything artistic thing she tries. In fact, she's VERY good at music. But getting her to refine that talent so she goes from "very good" to "excellent" can sometimes be agonizing. She resists the discipline to do that. In my view, that describes Kylo. He is strong, and very powerful. But so far he lacks the discipline to refine that "raw power" into true skill. What will Rey do?

 

TLJ - Luke's trailer dialogue:

"Breathe"

"Just Breathe"

"Now Reach out"

"What Do you see?"

"It's so much bigger"

"I only Know one Truth"

"It's time for the Jedi ... to end"



"Why are you here?" (TV spot)



"I've seen this raw strength only once before"

"It didn't scare me enough then, it does now"

"This is not going to go the way you think".


If you think about these two lines of dialogue together: "It is time for the Jedi to End" and "This is not going to go the way you think" and then include Kylo's lines "Let the past die. Kill it", Is Rian Johnson trying to tell us that we are in for a big surprise and that things are not going to pan out as we think they will?

 

A) Post is not to be trifled with
B) Do not look post directly in eyes
C) Wait, what exactly is your question? I guess I don't get it
D) Post originally planned to chew gum and commit assault; post's gum: (0)


EDIT:

(E) The rent is too damn high

 

I pretty sure he and members of the cast already directly said that there will be a lot of things we don't expect. .

 

Finally got my hands on the Funko POP "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" Luke Skywalker Figure. Adorable!
Btw, can y'all see the red kyber crystal Luke's wearing around his neck? I believe we haven't seen an official image of this variation of the black suit Luke is wearing in the film yet.

 

He travels prepared, doesn’t he.

I still find it strange that he carries a metal rod and a short wooden staff.

 

By people of Cantina:
The Japanese SW site has the new character descriptions (some of which came out in the SW app before and some on toys) before the official U.S. site does. Enjoy them (in Japanese). http://starwars.disney.co.jp/movie/lastjedi/character/rey.html (by MagnarTheGreat)

"Possible points of google translate interest (would love to read more accurate translation)
- Luke disagrees with Rey
- Resistance prepares against their pursuers
- Poe's bravery frightens both the enemy and resistance command
- Hux launches assault from 'finalizer' (translation - is this the supremacy or dreadnought?)
- Kylo's attempts at evil fail to impress Snoke
- Maz takes a more practical role in the 'dark society' (new job on Canto Bight - Bartender? Casino dealer?)"

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....he-last-jedi-news-rumors-thread.5483/page-304

 

Yep, you're exactly right. From what we've seen from the trailer, this plot appears to be based on an arbitrary logic (i.e., Luke is now more of a plot device than a realistic character), and the problem with that approach is that ignoring cause and effect threatens to create fundamental contradictions in the Saga that can't easily, or in principle, be repaired -- except through fan rationalization.

Sure, it serves the plot to exclude Luke from E7. Sure, it serves the plot to make Luke scared of Rey and Kylo in E8. But this short term thinking based in plot alone ignores what we know about the the Saga story already -- obvious things, like Luke's experience with Palpatine and Vader. His experience of Palpatine's power and his courage against that and Vader.

They've created a situation where they have to take the hack approach and justify Luke's fear by unnecessarily raising the power level of characters.

What's a better storytelling approach? A clear focus on the motivations of Rey, Kylo, Snoke, and Luke, not on vague fears of huge potential power levels. Story should come from character, not on abilities.

To be clear, if Luke fears someone, that fear should be based on who that person is. He should fear Kylo because he wants to do horrible things. He should fear Rey because he senses she is prone to anger and violence. He should fear Snoke because he knows what his goals are.

If E8 doesn't take that approach and instead just tells some vague, cliche allegory about the dangers of raw power, then I think the Saga is in danger of being riddled with contradictions, rather than a true extension and development of the story.

 

We don't know what the story is.

Heck, we barely even have the haziest notion of what the plot is.

 

I still think Luke is referring to the Emperor and how he-like a fool-tossed his LS away, he wasn't afraid and then felt 'unlimited powa'. I think what the new canon Rebels, Comics and books is trying to push, Jedi can know fear, they just have to control it and not let it overwhelm him. A young Luke didn't pay attention to his 'inner fear alert' and paid for it. Segway to Rey and this time he fears training her because what she could potentially become.

 

I know they've said that we're not going to learn much about Luke's been up to between ROTJ and TLJ but how much do you think they'll touch on the time between the Jedi massacre and TLJ? Seems like Rey would naturally ask him what he's been up to.

 

Rod for zapping Porgs and Stick for hiking? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Finalizer is the Ressurgent class Battle Cruiser that was seen in TFA.
Poe being "too brave" is probably the reason why he gets demoted in the movie imho.

 

Can’t he just whack them over their adorable little heads with his stick?

 

i feel like Luke's line about the raw strength is referring to Rey's strength scaring Luke because he saw the same thing in Kylo when he first started training him. I think that's why Leia sent him to train with Luke. Luke probably feels like having such power come to Kylo so easily probably contributed to Kylo's fall to the darkside. So, when he meets Rey and sees the same thing in her it scares him.. Not just out of fear that Rey might also turn to the darkside, but out of fear that more and more Force users might start appearing with such raw strength because the Force is out of balance. That might be one reason why he has a line stating that the Jedi need to end.

I don't think this means that Luke is afraid that Kylo is stronger than him currently, or that Luke thinks Rey is stronger than him. Remember he says "raw strength"- as in a natural starting point. Luke is a Jedi master who also started with a decent amount Force aptitude and then he's had 30 plus years to hone it. If he's hiding from Kylo it's because he doesn't want to be put into a position to fight his nephew like he had to fight his father.

 

So you're saying that raw power has nothing to do with the plot? Why would we think that?

 

That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that "raw power" (whatever that ends up meaning in context) is, at most, a plot device. All plots have them, and their presence does not by definition cancel out character-centric storytelling. In fact, they're often used to enhance it.

Also, plot =/= story. But I know you know that already.

 

nobody has seen this?review of Legends of Luke Skywalker (Luke new book)

there is something very curious...

https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/2017/10/swnn-review-the-legends-of-luke-skywalker-by-ken-liu.html

 

Frog Maids and other island oddities then.

 

shouldn't that book possibly end the dark!luke notions? it seems luke went the pacifist way. and it makes a ton of sense. he doesn't want to harm anyone, not droids or animals either.

 

Someone I know who got an early copy said that the common thread that runs through the stories is Luke’s compassion.

Soooooo yeah. Dark!Luke? No.

 

Mike Zeroh right now: Is Rey's daughter of the man that was in an AT-AT and was saved by Luke?

 

I doubt it will end anything, since they're meant to be Tall Tales so it's impossible to know what's true, if anything.

 

yeah but it's not like this is invalid to the overall story. i didn't see dark!luke in the TLJ trailer and this luke matches up. i wouldn't dismiss this.

although i mean leia wasn't referencing dark!luke in bloodline either, so any dark!luke would have to be a really recent personality 180.