ST Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in the ST

I'm sure this has been discussed in this thread before but I just want to point it out again.
I believe there is something about the realationship between Luke and Snoke that will "shock" the audience. Are they former friends, like Anakin and Obi-Wan was?
I'm not sure what it will be, but I'm convinced it's part of the puzzle.
We know Leia was aware of Snoke's potential influence on Ben.

 

It looks to me like he has bigger ties to Leia than Luke. He even calls her by her first name in the novelization of TFA.

 

...which some have theorized might mirror the "Barish Vow" we learn about ti the latest Darth Vader series. A Jedi need not go dark / evil to be considered having lost their way -- maybe they will Ret-Con Dooku as having indicated he would be taking the Barish Vow.

I see your post as being 1 of several more than likely actual plots we finally see on December 15th on screen

 

Oops - sorry for double post - I thought the board would have not let me post again unless enough time had passed

 

Does that mean Rey's gonna have most of her limbs broken and will have to use the force to propel her whole body with one arm and punch a hole through Snoke which makes him explode for some reason?

Sorry just reminded me of Dragonball.


Anyway seeing Luke in tears just makes me wanna punch someone in the gonads. Mark Hamill is just killing it.

 

Rian: "Han Solo is super cool but I identified more with Luke when I was a child!"

 

I don't like the old EU Luke much, either. It's looking like 3-6 will be all I accept with him.

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-lucas-and-the-cult-of-darth-vader-20050602

* except, apparently, the OT3, who lived happily ever after, being awesome, the end.

 

There are tears in Luke's eyes when Rey says, "Kylo failed you, I won't." Ben Solo broke Luke's heart.

 

They don’t appear to be sequential shots. Rey is looking up, but Luke isn’t looking down.

Still, I think the implication is there.

 

I don't think it matters. Luke is broken over what happened with Ben. I think that this is the campfire scene after Rey confesses that she needs someone to show her her place in all of this. She may not have said that to Luke, but he is near. They converse and Luke's pain comes out. This may be the first time he hadn't just been grumpy and dismissive. Rey knows how much he probably hurts. She's talked to Leia. She saw Kylo murder Han. She understands. And so she is trying to assure him of the path that will help them both: if he helps her, she will not fail him as Ben did.

 

He lost the will to go on and searched for a cave to die. Everything you worked for destroyed by a person you love who then turns on you

 

I wonder if this will play out somehow why Luke did not go Obi-Wan style against Kylo and that family means everything to him, despite being so much hurt by first his father and then again by his nephew. Maybe it will be a path to the resultion of this family conflict as well, even if it took longer.

 

I don't think he was going to try to kill his own nephew. He loves him. My impression was that Luke's recollections of Vader/Anakin were positive. He saved his father! It fills him with faith and hope. But he couldn't save his nephew and it destroys him.

I still personally think Luke has been trying to find an answer. I don't think he has entirely given up. He chose the 1st Jedi temple for a reason IMO.

 

Let's see what TLJ has in store for us first, shall we?

 

Yeah, pretty sure that'd be considered clinical depression.

 

If Luke really is wrapped up in how he couldn't save his nephew, maybe that is the problem. That keeps him from dealing with all the pain from his nephew turning on him. That would hurt so bad. And Rey's POV will only be that (someone he loved - family - turned on him and betrayed him and it broke his heart). So she would confront him with it.

And perhaps what Rey herself hasn't faced is that her family turned on and betrayed her in the sense that they abandoned her. (And that would hurt so bad.)

 

Kylo feels abandoned. Rey feels abandoned.

But Kylo wasn’t actually abandoned. His family loves him and wants him back.

Maybe the same is true for Rey.

 

If Luke couldn’t kill his father, and the thought of his sister turning almost turned him to the dark side, I’m not surprised if he is shattered after his nephew fell to the dark side. And if Kylo played on Luke’s compassion, I’m also not surprised if Luke was unable to kill him and stop him. It makes sense to me that Luke has lost his confidence in some ways. This is worse than anything he faced in the OT. He blames himself.

 

I can see that, but what if there was something that Luke did to push Ben further away before the betrayal? Casting all the blame on Kylo seems a little to convient and to not look at the Ben (that is his name before he took another master), and Luke relationship as a poosible factor I believe would be a major oversight. There will be a day of reckoning between Luke and Leia/Kylo; what the full backstory is/was will not be so straight-forward

 

I think the truth about Vader being hidden will be part of it. And clearly Snoke played a part in exploiting Ben’s grievances and fears. But I suspect the blame will largely still fall on him.

 

Is it weird that Rey says "Kylo failed you" to Luke instead of "Ben failed you"? It's like she's sticking it to him.

 

Sticking it to him... no -- that would be weird.

But the choice of names is certainly something I noted as well. I imagine the whole "once you go down the dark side path forever it will dominate your destiny" is going to be re-visited and discussed.

Surely at some point Ben will have an opportunity at redemption and Luke will have to consider it a possibility. THAT said - Yoda might have had personal experience and knowledge that in general, there was no return to the light. So the odds might still be heavily against any more redemption's regardless of whether Luke hopes Ben can be or not.

 

It just seems that using Kylo instead of Ben is a stronger statement to Luke. She seems to basically be saying "I can handle it!" in a very defensive way, like an angry teen. So Kylo from that approach makes sense, whereas using Ben would be less confrontational and more sympathetic.