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TFA TLJ Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) in the ST

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by Darth_Voider, Dec 17, 2015.

  1. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Lotteries are random. Rey and Ben share abandonment issues, for one thing. By definition, that's not random. It's deliberately written that way so it's pointless arguing that it's just a coincidence.
     
  2. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    They share abandonment is issues? One had to raise herself as a slave, the other had parents who loved him and tried to do what they thought was best for him. No matter how he felt towards his uncle, he chose to give that up and made no attempts to even try to understand what was going on. Not to mention he was clearly on the dark side before that point anyway. He did the abandoning.This has been off topic for too long away so I'll just leave it there.
     
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  3. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Their situations don't have to match and their feelings don't need to be equally justified. They have abandonment issues from their respective backgrounds. It's a fact.
     
  4. oncafar

    oncafar Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Abandonment issues are internal, not really other people looking at one from the outside to tell them they don't have the issues they do have because their experiences should according to an outside person, invalidate having such issues. Rey and Kylo have similar emotional issues at their core, regardless of the cause. Lots of people feel abandoned by parents IRL, and it spans a wide variety of different circumstances.
     
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  5. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Porg of New Films & Fan Films star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    All right, let's get back on topic.
     
  6. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    They have to be a little closer to equally justified for me to buy her feeling any sympathy or kinship towards him after everything she's been through. Sorry was writing while the warning was posted.
     
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  7. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    No, as others have said, he was the perfect vessel because he was Vader's son.
     
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  8. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Luke's perception of his destiny and the key to his solution to show compassion was due to his attachment to his father. But that will not succeed with Ben, since the roles would be reversed even if he was Ben's father and not his uncle. And look what did happen to his actual father when he tried to show Ben compassion. The emotions behind Ben's turn to darkness are not even the same as his grandfather's. Therefore Luke cannot perceive Ben's eventual redemption. That's where Rey with similar emotional issues to Ben's is required.
     
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  9. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    Maybe the justification is lopsided in order for there to be a credible villain who had anger issues that his family - including Luke who is only his uncle and not Ben's father. In fact will never be a father if he is faithful to Jedi code. Add to that Luke having to convey said code to Ben. Indoctrinate him with the forbidenness of attachments, when it's help and approval from a father figure that he requires. Effectively making Luke a hypocrite in denial of his greatest achievement up till that point. The redemption of his father. - and were unable to resolve on one side. And a more idealistic and sympathetic character to the general audience on the good side. That was written too. So not a coincidence either.
     
  10. Solo88

    Solo88 Jedi Knight star 2

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    The Force's favorite game is obviously whac-a-mole.
     
  11. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Do you have something constructive to add or are you just going to provide ill-witted responses?
     
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  12. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Master star 4

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    It amazing how Marks appearance and the good performance he put in in TLJ has raised his profile again.
     
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  13. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Force Ghost star 5

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    “No one is ever really gone.”

    I think he can. But only once he’s recovered :)

    But I agree - what’s going on with Kylo =/= what happened with Vader.

    I don’t think we have the whole story re Ben’s fall, yet. Most of what into we do have wasn’t even in the movies...

    Incidently - pleased at confirmation of spec that Luke getting in Snoke’s way was what got Snoke to start effing with Luke and his family. The gap-year EU material is gonna be EPIC :D
     
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  14. DarthTalonx

    DarthTalonx Jedi Master star 4

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    I was speaking about Luke Skywalker? I know my post was long, but it was about him?

    And I was replying to the other poster who mentioned Rey and Anakin. Otherwise I didn't even bring those two up before?
     
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  15. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Porg of New Films & Fan Films star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Your post was barely about Luke. Mostly it was just another rant about how there's "no story" and that Rey is unrelated, which is off topic in this thread. And it was posted soon after a warning.
     
  16. themoth

    themoth Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm forever thankful he reprised the role again. Fingers crossed for one more time in IX.
     
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  17. AndyLGR

    AndyLGR Jedi Master star 4

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    Personally I think a force ghost appearance will be a given. If I'm honest I would have liked him to have survived TLJ though.
     
  18. PymParticles

    PymParticles Cruel but Fair Tyrant of New Films star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I've been giving this a fair amount of thought, and I've come to the conclusion that The Last Jedi has helped make Luke my favorite character again, for the first time since I was a kid.
     
  19. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    I really would like to understand how. I mean he basically gave up and instead of trying to deal with his mistakes he hides away, then is a jerk to the main character who is just looking for help, then when Yoda conviently shows up to chew him out, he finally realzies "man, I better actually do something, my bad". Its really that he didnt take responsibility for what happened. He blames himself for Kylo, but left everyone else to deal with it.
     
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  20. Alliyah Skywalker

    Alliyah Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it does make a big difference if you have sympathy for him of if you do not. I just can`t bring myself to excuse his behaviour (and do not see his "return" as either particularly heroic or awe-inspiring) because it is the bottom of the barrel for me. But I do acknowledge that others have different no-gos in terms of actions, character traits and behaviour.
     
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  21. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    I just tend to lose sympathy when someone leaves their mistakes for other people to deal with. Whether or not Luke is to blame for Kylo, he blames himself, and yet just left everyone else to deal with it so he could go feel sorry for himself until he died.
     
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  22. Alliyah Skywalker

    Alliyah Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    I can`t respect the character for that reason. And if I can`t do that, then I can`t have any sympathy.

    I actually have an easier time with characters who are evil so a darkside!Luke could have worked for me. This version in TLJ never had a chance with my personal preferences and outlooks.

    But, it might be the opposite for others.
     
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  23. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    [:D] Welcome back. You're home again.
     
  24. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Force Ghost star 5

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    I’d agree if I thought Luke had been all fine and dandy until the mistake with Kylo...

    The adult novelization confirms my suspicion that Snoke began effing with Luke when Luke became a direct threat to his plans, though. Which suggests some dramatic, epic gap-year material, but also that what we were told in TLJ was the tip of the iceberg.
     
  25. sls062286

    sls062286 Jedi Master star 4

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    Im going by what we know now. Though I don't know what we could find out that would make it ok for Luke to just say "Im out, good luck everybody else!".
     
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