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ST Masks

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by JabbatheHumanBeing, Nov 4, 2015.

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  1. hippie1kenobi

    hippie1kenobi Force Ghost star 4

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    It is totally fine to enjoy any work on whatever level one chooses. That said, the idea that there is strong visual symbolism in SW is fairly well-established. And even if it weren't intentional, the interpretation is still just a valuable, if not more so. As with any other art, making a film comprises so many decisions, some of which aren't even made on a conscious level. It doesn't matter if JJ sat down and though, "Hey, it would be cool if each introductory shot had the character in a mask". What matters is that he did so, it works, and people discuss why that is.

    All that said, I would be extremely surprised if this wasn't intentional and done for some of the exact reasons stated above. I cannot wait to be able to really deconstruct the visuals, story, and music for this film. There will surely be some great discussion fodder in there.
     
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  2. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    Looks like EHT has inadvertently confirmed Rey's Skywalker lineage. She hates sand.
     
  3. SkywalkerOG

    SkywalkerOG Jedi Knight star 3

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    My thoughts exactly one of my favorite parts of the trailer. The introduction of Rey with maz asking "who are you" totally sets the stage for the trilogy it assured me that the character development will be fantastic! Also lupitas delivery of the line was beautiful.
     
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  4. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Agreed. I've said this before, but I like the fact that even the marketing is trying to engage and draw the viewer in:

    There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

    You have that power too.

    Who are you?

    The Force is calling you. Just let it in.

    IMO this is brilliant subliminal marketing.

     
  5. CEB

    CEB Force Ghost star 5

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    Another possible aspect to the masks is that, based on what we know, the lives of all three principles could be flat and emotionless before The Force Awakens (both as a title and an event)
    Finn is simply doing his duty with a sense of unease
    Rey is surviving day to day
    Kylo is (possibly) a darkside with no focus until he gets a lead on Luke/lightsaber/something
     
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  6. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    It seems to be far more of a stretch to assert that the man who wrote about the "fatherhood" beneath the mask of Vader, would introduce no layered meaning to the "masks" of the ST. Oddly, you assume that the more practical purposes of the masks (menacing/faceless evil, keeping sand out of the eyes, and being a storm trooper) cannot coexist with their purposes as visual indicators of character. Especially when that's been part of Lucas' visual storytelling in the past (indeed, Campbell called Lucas his keenest student).

    This was clearly a character trailer. And the dialogue - especially that of Rey and Finn - hint at lost, hidden and suppressed identities. That dialogue is coupled with masks. All three main characters with masks.

    There are almost certainly layers here. The assertion that "it's just a mask" is on a much shakier foundation.
     
  7. Good Blaster

    Good Blaster Jedi Knight star 2

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    Read my second post. I'm not trying to say "ahh no way they are just cool mask dummies"
     
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  8. Mungo Baobab

    Mungo Baobab Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    We also have Vader's mask, and what that mask symbolises for Kylo ( martyrdom ), versus what it means to the GFFA at large ( tyranny ), and also to us, the audience / Luke's POV ( redemption ).
     
  9. mavjade

    mavjade Former Manager star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's deep.
    I like it.
     
  10. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Very nice.


    Certainly beats discussing parentage and screen time for the billionth time.
     
  11. hippie1kenobi

    hippie1kenobi Force Ghost star 4

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    So if we extend this to Phasma and include suggestions that we may not see her unmasked, can we take this as the character being more one-dimensional? I don't mean that as a knock at the portrayal, but maybe that is all she is...cold, calculating, driven to one thing without regret, hesitation, or emotion.

    I like this. There has certainly been a meta component to the trailers. IMO, at least, they have done a good job about not being heavy-handed about how self-referential they are.
     
  12. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 5

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    As I've been saying for well over a year now, they definitely filmed at least one scene with her helmet off. ;)
     
  13. PymParticles

    PymParticles Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This is what I really like about the idea of Rey Random, in addition to Finn and Poe being unrelated to anyone we've met, that these are just people that have been thrown into exceptional circumstances and now have to do exceptional things to survive. As much as I love how compelling the drama is between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor (those scenes are amongst the best in the entire series), having Luke literally struggling with the devil for his Vader's soul, after discovering that this embodiment of pure evil throughout most of the previous two films is secretly his father does take an impact on the relatability of his character.
     
  14. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    Yeah, that's my favourite thing about the Random potential.
     
  15. Hydro spanner Celt

    Hydro spanner Celt Jedi Knight star 1

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    I understand the appeal of Rey random, but I just feel it will be more dramatic and emotional if we find out Rey, (my hope) is Luke's daughter, I think it's the Skywalker story and while Kylo might be related to OT member's it would just seem more fitting for Rey to be family. I know there's an argument that this might be to obvious but as I say it's my hope and wish.
     
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  16. Satipo

    Satipo Force Ghost star 7

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    IMO, there are strong pluses to each of the options.
     
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  17. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    Well Vader started as a simple scary baddie with his helmet.
    At the end of Jedi, the mask is removed and he becomes human.

    With Kylo we've seen in publicity pics that the helmet comes off in this first movie. I be that will happen at times of personal conflict. Doubt, frustration, confusion, torn between influences.

    Finn... Simple. Removing the helmet makes him an individual. He's not just another disposable Trooper. He's escaping the life assigned to him.

    Rey... That's the standard mysterious person doing mysterious things, and then you are shown our heroes face and we identify with her and join her for the journey.
     
  18. Solo-Skywalker

    Solo-Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Kylo with the mask on could embody protection from one's inner feeling and hatred towards not only his family but also what he has become; when we see him remove the mask it reveals his dispair, angst and outward shame. In regards to Finn, when he removes the mask he is also removing the confinement of the First Order, he's becoming an individual of two separate quest of self discovery and freedom. And finally Rey's mask is conceal her isolation, confinement and individualism, when she removes it she acknowledges the individualism and embraces the change in lifestyle and relationships.
     
  19. B99

    B99 Force Ghost star 6

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    That's great!!
     
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  20. Dra---

    Dra--- Force Ghost star 6

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    The shots in the trailer weren't picked at random. They could have begun with Rey unmasked, but they didn't. The intention behind the masks is obvious.
     
  21. GregMcP

    GregMcP Force Ghost star 5

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    The theme of masks is obviously major in the movie.
    Vader, and the Knights of Ren, and Stormtroopers, and people hidden by hoods and scarves.... Hiding identities and motivations and allegiances.

    Star Wars is a Universe where people strap on their Knights Armor.
    It's something that might have its origins simply in "It looks cool", but it serves a deeper purpose now.
     
  22. ender2k

    ender2k Jedi Master star 1

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    I hadn't noticed the similarity with Kylo's mask before, but somebody elsewhere pointed out that Rey's goggles appear to utilize the lenses of an OT-era stormtrooper helmet.
     
  23. JabbatheHumanBeing

    JabbatheHumanBeing Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    ender2k

    I think that's right.

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  24. Darth Damo

    Darth Damo Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    This thread is absolutely superb and it's threads like this that bring me to the discussion boards of the force.Net for a long time.

    Anyone doubting the OP is naive in the extreme. I think that they have hit the nail firmly on the head. Things like this don't happen by accident in movies, especially a movie with the financial backing and people working on the force awakens.
     
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  25. Mungo Baobab

    Mungo Baobab Manager Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Excellent point about Kylo and his mask. I wonder if he feels more comfortable whilst wearing it? It makes him the 'real' Kylo Ren, closer to his hero / Grandfather? Is there an element of self loathing when he sees himself unmasked, maybe? His Solo / Organa heritage revealed? The masked Kylo channels pure Vader.
     
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