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JCC Maybe God gave up his omniscience so we could have free will

Discussion in 'Community' started by hudzu, Aug 27, 2014.

  1. hudzu

    hudzu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    discuss
     
  2. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I want all the science.
     
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  3. Diggy

    Diggy Snow Cat Sponsor/Advocate star 7 VIP - Game Winner

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    Maybe gods don't exist?
     
  4. dp4m

    dp4m Chosen One star 10

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    Just a slob like one of us?
     
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  5. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    That did not happen and will never happen you heretic.

    EDIT 1: It also doesn't even make any sense.

    EDIT 2: I've also only ever heard the beginning of that song but it's stupid, so I don't care to hear the rest.
     
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  6. hudzu

    hudzu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    okay well you're the one who posited it
     
  7. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    let's face it, westboro baptist church's theology is the most plausible of all christian theologies
     
  8. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    I have never posted anything remotely like this.
     
  9. Lord Vivec

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  10. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Maybe god is actually just a plumber. You know, when you die you like, get to meet god, and you ask them about this complicated stuff and god's all "Look, I just fix the pipes, okay? Pass me that alligator wrench." And you pass god the alligator wrench and then there's just this awkward silence for a few minutes. Then Nietzsche says "I didn't mean you were really d-" and everyone just groans because oh my god Nietzsche we get it.
     
  11. hudzu

    hudzu Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    so, god is donald glover?
     
  12. Diggy

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    With a heavenly crack, presumably?
     
  13. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    The holiest of holies, if you will.
     
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  14. FamousAmos

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    Maybe God exists and just doesn't care, and that's where free will comes from.
     
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  15. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Chosen One star 10

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    Because God is imaginary right?
     
  16. EvilQ

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    Isn't there a scene like this in Brazil, except without Nietzsche?
     
  17. Diggy

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    I've asked god to answer the initial thread query within the next five minutes. Hold on.
     
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  18. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    hey ramza iyho is there a scenario wherein omniscience and free will can exist within the same system? they do seem rather contradictory
     
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  20. Ramza

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    I've always kind of liked Boethius' "solution" which basically boils down to god is extratemporal and consequently there's not really a good way to argue about whether or not its omniscience would interfere with free will because it always already sees everything. Naturally I am drawn to it because it is a fancy way of saying "Neener neener neener" and I'm not super fond of free will arguments because 9 times out of 10 they're really moral responsibility arguments dressed up to look impressive and broader than they actually want to be.

    Exception: Sartre and his totally awesome metaphysical libertarianism. WOOOOOOO RADICAL FREEDOM!
     
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  21. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i just like it when people from the south say "boethius", which they do a lot in youtube videos
     
  22. poor yorick

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    I'd like to give up my free will in exchange for free beer. Is this the thread where I do that?
     
  23. DarthTunick

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    language!
     
  24. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz JC Head Admin & Community Manager star 8 Staff Member Administrator

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    Some ***hole had What if God was one of us playing on my wedding.
     
  25. jp-30

    jp-30 Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's like raaa-eee-aaain.
     
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