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Saga Mega thread: Sequels and spinoff films and the overall saga

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by anakinfansince1983 , Jun 20, 2017.

  1. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    This is a thread in which we can discuss sequel trilogy films, spinoff films and their impact and relationship to the Saga as a whole.

    What this thread is:

    --A one-stop shop for all discussion topics relating to new and future films as they relate and connect to prior films and other prior works, whether the stories themselves or behind-the-scenes work such as CGI.

    --A place where visitors to the PT, CT and Saga boards can discuss New Films-related topics that are too overall-saga based to be a good fit in the New Films board. Literature (Legends and NEU) and TV can be discussed as well as long as films are the primary focus.

    What this thread is not:

    --A "Lucas rules, Disney drools" thread, or vice versa. You don't have to like any Star Wars work that Disney has made, or you can think Disney was the best thing that happened to Star Wars since Luke escaped Tatooine, but we're not going to have a playground argument over whose Star Wars is "best."

    --A New Films-only thread repeating topics from New Films for people who don't visit New Films.

    --A rankings thread. We already have those.

    Ground rules:

    1. No bashing. Constructive criticism is fine, posts along the lines of "Such and such sucks because it sucks" are not.

    2. Because it's worth reiterating and goes along with rule #1: no attempts to play the Lucas vs Disney game or the PT vs OT vs ST game.

    3. The same rules in place in New Films are in place here: no sexist comments about Rey, Jyn or any other female character or actor, up to and including "Mary Sue;' calling any character (male or female) overpowered is fine. No racist comments against characters or actors of color. No Reylo discussion outside its fan club in Star Wars Community.

    4. Discuss the films, not each other.
     
  2. Deliveranze

    Deliveranze Force Ghost star 6

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    *looks around in awkward silence*

    So.........Star Wars, amirite?
     
  3. Mostly Handless

    Mostly Handless Jedi Master star 4

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    [​IMG]^:)^

    Edit: I think we were discussing beige aliens?

    Edit #2: To clarify my position on said beigeliens, I'm not to bothered about it, even in Lucas' star wars many crowd shots show aliens that were fairly drab in colour. Still I do miss seeing the occasional electric blue Twi'lek/Max Rebo.
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    Vanity Fair alien spreads for TPM, TFA, and TLJ.
    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
  4. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    "I sense this is a plot to destroy the sanity of the users. We must make haste, as the Mods already have control of the court. It will be soon before the take the JCF senate".
     
  5. Darth Downunder

    Darth Downunder Chosen One star 6

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    Hardly their fault. Certain people couldn't help themselves, despite warnings & even thread title changes.

    Anyway, the new films are awesome. They compliment the old Saga beautifully.
     
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  6. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    That wasn't a jab against them for a specific purpose DD. Just an overall general joke...
     
  7. Seeker Of The Whills

    Seeker Of The Whills Jedi Master star 4

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    So are sexist posts about men allowed? It doesn't appear to be a forbidden topic per your no-no rulebook. Let's get this party started...
     
  8. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    No.
     
  9. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Jedi Knight star 4

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    Like I was saying, I've always been a fan of A New Hope, but I think The Force Awakens surpasses it. It is dark much the same way as The Empire Strikes Back, and I loved the development and interactions of Rey and Finn, not to mention Kylo Ren. If it wasn't for Empire Strikes Back and the prequels , I wouldn't be a Vader fan, since we don't see much depth to him in A New Hope alone. We do see Kylo's struggles however, and I prefer him as a villain as far as the opening episode to each trilogy is concerned.

    I feel like Rey and Finn had more initial chemistry than Han and Leia, and I prefer the platonic relationship that we see (doesn't mean it won't become romance).
    I hope that wasn't a bash of the original Star Wars, I still think it's a masterpiece, just offering my own comparison.
     
  10. {Quantum/MIDI}

    {Quantum/MIDI} Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Wasn't this thread named "Disney criticism" before? I swear I remember the name being there...Or something like that...

    Aren't these sex/race related all integrated within the site already?

    Hey! Something we agree on;)

    I kid I kid...[face_tee_hee]

    Both I agree have their individual "rulings" that they are good at If that makes any sense..
     
  11. Seeker Of The Whills

    Seeker Of The Whills Jedi Master star 4

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    What part of TFA was "dark"? I just rewatched it today on Netflix, my fourth overall viewing of the movie, and it felt even more jokey and less serious than I remembered. It exhibits the same kind of easy, cheap sense of humor that plagues most major motion pictures these days. The Marvel Studios movies, which also happen to be owned by Disney, popularized this style of humor in modern cinema. I certainly hold ANH as the darker, more mature film of the two.
     
  12. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Emperor Ferus
    Agreed. kylo was more fleshed out in TFA than Vader in ANH. His story is one to be excited for. And I think Finn and Rey have chemistry also , it flows well even with the quirky comedy.
    But as far as TFA being dark? I agree Seeker Of The Whills . The Han-Kylo scene was dark & maybe the opening Jakku scene? But the rest of the film isn't dark.
     
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  13. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Jedi Knight star 4

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    We never see the jawas being slaughtered, unlike in TFA, where the stormtroopers massacre the men, women and children on screen. Han's death was dark too, and emotional, and carried more weight than Obi Wan's (we didn't know him well until the prequels). Other than that, I don't see A New Hope being more mature.

    Could you give examples, just so I know what you're talking about?
     
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  14. B99

    B99 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, some dark scenes, but over all not a dark movie.. Personally hope TLJ is slightly darker..
     
  15. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    Oh TLJ is gonna be dark (from what I have seen) First, it's gotta be a GREAT FILM & if it's dark than even better
     
  16. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Jedi Knight star 4

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    I forgot to mention Hosnia and the other planets destroyed by Starkiller Base. Not only was it a larger massacre times five, but it showed the people just as they were about to perish. One of the main characters ends up in a coma, and another is mind controlled and kidnapped.
    I'd say TFA is about as dark as TESB.

    I also hope that TLJ is dark, in fact I want it to be darker than ROTS (I think that's the darkest so far)
     
  17. Martoto77

    Martoto77 Jedi Master star 5

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    ..And tortured. And exploited.
     
  18. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 5

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    http://www.starwars.com/news/a-message-from-lucasfilm-regarding-the-untitled-han-solo-film
    "Creative differences". I would have expected creative differences during the writing process, not 3 weeks before end of filming.
     
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  19. TheDutchman

    TheDutchman Jedi Knight star 1

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    "you got a cute boyfriend?"

    yeah just LOVE their chemistry. (sarcasm)
     
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  20. TheDutchman

    TheDutchman Jedi Knight star 1

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    wow....I didn't realize that they were that far along. Must have been one hell of a blowup.
     
  21. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd The Man / Also Known as Bazinga'd star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    TheDutchman

    Please avoid multiple consecutive posts. In the future, where possible please use the edit feature (located in the bottom left corner of your original post) to add content.
     
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  22. thejeditraitor

    thejeditraitor Chosen One star 6

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    what about spoilers and videos?
     
  23. Ancient Whills

    Ancient Whills Force Ghost star 5

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    It might give a possible explanation.
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...y-han-solo-movie-directors-were-fired-1015474
    Personally I don't really care who's behind it since I'm not really interested in a movie about Han Solo's backstory. I'm pretty sure a writer confirmed how Lando lost the Milenium Falcon and how Han met Chewie would have been explored in the Live action TV series GL was working on anyway which I think would fit better for these kind of origin stories.
     
  24. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Unofficial spoilers should be tagged. Official ones, such as discussion of trailers, can be untagged.

    Videos--I had in mind that there was already a separate video thread that was remaining open? But I can't find it. If I'm imagining the existence of that thread, videos can be posted here as long as they are on topic.

    darklighter99 , I am very much interested in the Han Solo origin story but I want him to stay in character, so I hope Kasdan is heavily involved.
     
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  25. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Jedi Knight star 4

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    That's not my favorite line, but you hear cheesy lines in Empire Strikes Back too (you love me because m a scoundrel).
    Finn's line sounds modern, but it sounds more realistic than Han's. And that line doesn't indicate romance, a crush at best.
    I do like their chemistry.