Merging the Amphitheatre and YJCC (back) together. (Now talking about where sports go)

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  1. gabe Administrator Emeritus

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    I think it's time the Amphitheatre got assimilated back into YJCC. As nice of a forum as it has become over the years, the Amphitheatre forum was never really necessary to begin with - The JCC was basically just split in two, and the Amphitheatre walked away with the good stuff - the basic ingrediënts that made the JCC what it was back in the day - topics of shared interest wich naturally spawned social contact and friendships. I'm not one to look back on a 'golden age' and compare it to the current overall quality of a forum, but I feel that the JCC has come to a point where it needs that 50 percent, known now as the Amphitheatre, back where it belongs.
  2. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

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    I wouldn't say the Amphitheatre was 50% of the JCC. Maybe 10%. That's why people petitioned for it, because they were tired of searching through 90% junk to find the 10% of good discussion that they cared about.
  3. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    I want the episode IV spoiler forum back!
  4. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

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    Have to disagree with you, gabe. The Amphitheatre is doing better than ever right now, and has come into its own as a forum.

    If you take the "necessary" approach, one could argue that the entire JC is unnecessary, or that anything beyond a single giant forum is likewise unnecessary.

    Just as with the Senate, the discussion in the Amphitheatre is slower but more in-depth, whereas the JCC is much faster and not as in-depth. Posts and threads of that sort have a tendency to get lost in a fast-moving forum, and they do much better in a smaller place like the Amphitheatre.
  5. Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus

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    Speak it.
  6. FamousAmos VIP

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    I agree with what Jeff said as well. The Ampitheatre is a relatively small portion of the JCC, and if you merged them back together alot of that discussion that does well as it's own forum would be lost in the other topics in the JCC.
  7. gabe Administrator Emeritus

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    Exactly. The Amphitheatre ran off with the good stuff, however large or small a percentage you want to lable it, and the current JCC is the 'junk' they left behind. I personally don't feel that the JC has gotten that bad over the last year or two, but I do feel that there has been a steady decline in overall quality. It is because I believe it will only get worse post-ROTS, that I'm putting the idea of merging the two again forward.


    I'm well aware of that - It is exactly those aspects of the Amphitheatre that I feel the JCC needs to regain. Discussion of that sort used to keep the JCC in balance. Not having to search back a few pages for your favorite thread every once in a while upon logging on is not an excuse that can justify a diët JCC forum. Not in my ever so humble opinion at least.
  8. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    do you think that if they merged and those topics were made in the YJCC, that they would be as in depth as they are in the amphitheatre? Don't you think you'd see a lot more "this movie rocks!" posts in the YJCC?
  9. Coruscant Force Ghost

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    In a way, the Amphitheatre and the YJCC are already together, as they are located in the JC Community sub-board.

    Additionally, when you take all the "spin-off" forums of the JC Community, i.e., Senate, Amphitheatre, and Census, they can essentially all be a part of the same forum under one guiding characteristic: off-topic. However, the Senate and the Amphitheatre are for more serious, in-depth, and close-knit discussion that does not stand the risk of being degraded into something of a YJCC mode.

    People go to the YJCC for "fun and lighthearted". If you merge the Amphitheatre with the YJCC, then there would be a confusing mess of conflicting threads and mods would probably want to regulate the original Amphitheatre threads so they didn't become "fun and lighthearted", in other words, standing the danger of becoming too spammy, derailed, or light. Overall, it would be a headache for users, notably new ones, and the mods alike.

    I can see a situation down the line where JC traffic begins to lighten considerably and the administration will probably merge forums back together to adapt to the decline of the JC's heyday. But now is not the time, I feel. Too soon.

    I can also see a possible situation where the YJCC becomes much too degraded, decayed, whatever word you want to use, and the administration will have the unpreferable option of deleting it or merging the Amphitheatre then the Senate, back into the YJCC to serve as examples to users, most importantly- new users, on what good discussion is like. But, of course, those stand the risk of decay unless there is some serious and careful moderating without scaring away some or most of the YJCC's residents. But that time hasn't come and (hopefully) won't come.


  10. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    While I don't agree that what's left in JCC with the Senate and Amphitheatre topics gone is all automatically junk, I do hear what you're saying, gabe. I sometimes wish JCC were allowed a more substantive mix of topics.
  11. MariahJSkywalker Poopoo Head

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    I really think the Amphitheatre should stay. If people want to have in-depth discussions, it shouldn't be too hard to find the Amph in the sub-categories. And furthermore, what about the people who post in there regularly? Some people are turned off from the YJCC. And if even if they merged, the posters are the ones who make the forum, not the topic. So don't expect suddenly everybody will stop making lame and sophmoric threads because that's not reality.
  12. Le_Sammler Jedi Youngling

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    I agree. I wouldn't like to see it merged with the JCC. I am a huge lover of film, literature, etc... and love that it is all in one great convenient place in the Amphitheatre. I would have to rummage through the JCC amongst all the spam type threads to find 'the good stuff'.
  13. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    well then quit making spam type threads. You're responsible for like 50% of those anyway.
  14. TheBoogieMan Manager Emeritus

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    Anyone who registered after the creation of the Ampitheatre (which, lets face it, is most of the current JCC population) would seriously freak out if they had intelligent topics confronting them when they next logged on.



    Vote "No!" to stop poor, stupid JCCers from falling out of their chairs.
  15. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    That's not acceptable, and you should know it.
  16. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    sorry. :( I'll lie next time.
  17. Charn Jedi Grand Master

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    by that logic, you should be saying the same thing about the Senate forum.
  18. Raven Administrator Emeritus

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    Way to wait until one of the Amphitheatre moderators was on vacation! I had to spend a half an hour trying to remember what my password was, and I'm working on a 640x480 monitor here. :p

    I do not believe that adding the Amphitheatre to Community would produce a more intelligent Community. Further, I don't believe that the Amphitheatre is stealing threads from Community, and I believe that the majority of the people who post in the Amphitheatre post in both the Amphitheatre and Community. Threads on big movies and books, like Harry Potter or whatever the blockbuster of the week is, exist in both the Amphitheatre and the JCC. The same goes for a lot of television shows. About the only threads that the Amphitheatre has that I've haven't really seen equivilents for in Community are Zaz and Rogue's list threads (discussing list people have made about great movies/quotes/soundtracks/songs/artworks/etc), the threads about smaller fantasy and sf series, and the comics threads.

    The difference is that the Amphitheatre versions tend not be, as Corsuscant put it, so "spammy, derailed, or light." Putting the two forums back together would lead to a) a brief period where the people looking for discussion and people happy to socialize coexisted uneasily, b) the people looking for discussion complaining about the spammy people, c) moderators having to decide whether or not to cut out the spam or tell them to coexist peacefully, and we'd almost certainly choose the second, and d) the majority of the people looking for discussion going elsewhere.
  19. Le_Sammler Jedi Youngling

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    EXCUSE me?!?!?

    Ahhh... have a look through my profile, I hardly start threads (only do when I can't see something existing about a topic)... I mainly post in existing threads. I really don't know what you are referring to?
  20. Armenian_Jedi Force Ghost

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    oh holy crap! For some reason I mistook you for that Andalite-Bandit guy. whoops. I don't even know why I thought that.
  21. Le_Sammler Jedi Youngling

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    Thanks OK! No harm, no foul... just got me confused, that's all! :)
  22. droideka27 Manager Emeritus

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    I believe the two forums have been split for the whole time I've been at the JCC... so i honestly can say I don't really care one way or the other, as I don't post in amphitheater. WOuld it improve JCC? Well, you know, probably.... but i doubt significantly, and it'd just cause a lot of grief for the amphitheater regulars. So i guess i think it's unneccesary, but not really a bad idea, especially from my POV.
  23. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    I'd look at it as three separate forums; The JCC, The Amph, and The Senate.

    In depth decent discussions occur in the Senate and the Amph, whereas high level (spamish) discussions occur in the JCC, which suits that forum.

    Could you imagine re-merging the JCC and the Senate ? Cats and dogs living together etc.

    Leave the Amph where is it to allow indepth discussion of arts and media.
  24. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

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    Do Amphitheatre regulars really want their threads merged back into the JCC? I can't imagine someone trying to have an in-depth discussion on the nature of humanity in The War of the Worlds would like to have to sift though dozens of JCC-style "OMG I liek this movie! The 'splosions were cool!" posts.
  25. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    I like them split. If anything, I want more of a split. It's annoying having two threads about the same topic, like 24 for example. Both are equally in depth and could easily be combined. Some people even cut and paste responses into both the threads. Other examples are the recent Batman and WotW threads. The JCC threads were jsut as indepth as amph threads.

    If amph is considered too slow, simply put all arts discussion in there, and get it out the JCC.

    But personally, I think it's fine as it is, overall.
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