PT Midichlorians-why is this so badly bashed?

Then how should it be? Who gets to decide that?

It's still part of every (living) thing in the universe. And it was explained on the very first meeting with Kenobi in ANH. Those are the facts.

 

Just a fan throwing his opinion out there. Not changing the world at all. No one has to listen to me.
I meant more in-depth like the PT does. The Force is just there. Not some biological component like in the PT.

 

What exactly is a Jedi personality? I don't recall all of the other Jedi having one particular personality.

 

No attachments, control your emotions etc.

 

The Force is also "just there" in the PT, even more than in the OT because in the latter the audience got an explanation for it. And the midi-chlorians are the biological "component", not the Force. The Force is never explained in the PT, it's a concept treated as a given.

 

I wonder. How many of you posters who put so much stock in respecting Lucas' "artistic vision," hold the same standard to those who criticize someone like Michael Bay's decisions in his Transformers films.

 

He did it initially because he was intending to reveal that Anakin was created by the Sith, which would then give him the reason to join Palpatine. He only left it ambiguous because he felt it was better left unsaid and didn't make it seem like Anakin was destined to fall. That he still had a choice.

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Pretty much. In normal biology we have a fixed set of chromosomes from both parents that make up what is in their offspring. Well, if there's no father, there still needs to be something there. It takes two genetic codes to make one life form. Well, with Anakin it takes the code from Shmi and the code from what created her, to make him exist. ​

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That's the point of being a Chosen One. He's the one who has to do this, not someone else. It's like in "Man Of Steel", where Kal-El is the first Kryptonian in centuries to be born naturally, thus putting him miles ahead of the other Kryptonians. ​

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How is this your vision when you didn't make the *** damned thing? It's no more your vision than it is mine. To which I quote...​

"The thing about science-fiction fans and "Star Wars" fans is they're very independent-thinking people. They all think outside the box, but they all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way, which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." ​

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--George Lucas ​

Which is his right. The same way any filmmaker is right to do things that they feel is right. There can be a reasonable compromise like with advanced screenings resulting in re-shoots or re-editing. It's another when it becomes demanding. ​

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You can have your opinion. That's your right. What isn't right is the audacity to think you know better. That you somehow have a vision for what you think it should be, which is really arrogant. ​

Bay had the right to make the movies that he made, the way that he made them. I don't claim to have a better vision than he does. And unlike Lucas who created something from scratch and was inspired by various bits of works, Bay was playing with someone else's creation which was just one of a myriad different takes on a toyline.

 

But..if the explanation is actually, ultimately that it is magical, then it fails as a scientific one. That is the point I was making.

 

A lot of the second act was changed in 2004. Originally, Anakin becomes a Jedi Master when he's appointed to the Council and he's more concerned with being more powerful than saving Padme. When confronted by Palpatine about the truth of who he is, Anakin chooses to stay and not return to the Temple to report to Mace. Palpatine tells Anakin that he is the one who started the cell division that lead to his birth. Thus he could consider him his father. Obi-wan, meanwhile, finds out that Sidious is Palpatine when he sees him in hologram form, telling the Confederacy leadership that they're going to Mustafar, instead of Grievous doing the deed. Obi-wan then holds off on his attack and goes back to make contact with the Temple and Yoda on Kashyyyk. Mace then takes the Jedi Posse with him to arrest Palpatine. Mace orders Anakin to stand by his side and he refuses. Palpatine then uses Anakin's Lightsaber to fight the Jedi Posse. Anakin follows Mace and Palpatine out into the main office. Parts of this remain in the final film as you can see Anakin's saber in Palpatine's hand in a few frames.



After Mace knocks Palpatine down, there's no dialogue. Palpatine just blasts Mace until the connection is broken and then Mace goes for the kill, but Anakin doesn't protest. Lucas changed all this due to his director friends wanting him to have Anakin struggle up to the end. In making the changes, Lucas opted to have it be ambiguous but make it clear that Anakin paying attention to Palpatine's story was due to his own heritage.

No one that can walk on water, turn water into wine, leap tall buildings in a single bound and shoot lighting bolts out of their fingers. We're all average.

Why is that simple?

But not divine. And who said that Shmi was a virgin?

That only works when you are the creator of said business. Did you make any of the "Star Wars" films? The answer is no. George Lucas created "Star Was". Ergo, you don't have a leg to stand on. If you had created SW and retained creative control, then you would have the right to demand things go your way. The only thing I've ever expected out of any movie, television show, book, comic book, music album and video is to be entertained. No more and no less. What you and I want beyond that is irrelevant.

Fan entitlement is nothing but elitist Bantha poodoo. Lucas made these films not for us, but because he wanted to.

Having an opinion isn't arrogant. Having an opinion that you deserve better because it didn't meet your expectations, on the other hand, is.

 

Because the part that Anakin wants to hear starts with the revelation that the Force can do what medical science cannot do and fits right in line with his vow that he made three years earlier.

It means that among the Jedi and Sith, Anakin was head and shoulders above them due to having a stronger connection to the Force than they did.

Right, but in fiction, there are those who are born of divine origin.

He's not a god. He's just more gifted than others and as a result of that, he becomes arrogant and angry when he cannot live up to a potential that he and Palpatine see for him.

Which is the opposite of saying, "How I envisioned things?" That goes from entertained to be demanding.

Lucas made these films because he wanted to. We had the option to watch them. He wasn't doing it to kiss our asses. He was doing it to finish what he started.

It's a privilege, not a right to watch a movie.

 

So if I am disappointed in some aspects of what I paid for, I absolutely do have the right to say so, as does anyone else who spent money on Star Wars and found some aspects disappointing.

Well said, AFS.

 

I think it stems from the misconception that the Midichlorians ARE the Force, when they are merely intermediaries.


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Well said. I agree completely. Sadly too many apologists paint things in a different light. Such desperation on hat side of the argument. It's sad.

 

No, it's his right to receive your money once you've decided to pay in order to be allowed to watch his work.

 

I didn't question your right to watch his work once you payed.

I'd say that it's more your choice than his privilege. Or would you say that it's your privilege that you're able to pay to watch his movie?

Anyway, midi-chlorians and stuff...

 

Movie tickets weren't $15 back in 1999. So at least that dastardly Lucas didn't ruin your entertainment-per-dollar level by quite so significant a margin.

 

Not arguing anything. Just pointing out something to keep in mind about your grudge based on money you spent in a theater quite a while ago. Assuming you only paid to see the film once, of course.