JCC Miley Cyrus at the VMA

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  1. wannasee Jedi Master

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    Thank you for agreeing with me, Wocky.
  2. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    I agree for longevity. But Madge never had the singing chops and writing talent comparable to Gaga at this stage of her career and beyond. Madonna had a heck of a stage presence and force of will though. I'm not saying Gaga is the second coming. She is partially derivative too. But there's enough there to make her instantly compelling as a performer and artist.


    Aytee-Aytee said:
    Just googled this Robin Thicke character....he's Alan Thicke's son.


    So....I guess that means....he got diff'rent strokes from Miley? Eh? Eh?


    He's also Paula Patton's husband. That's what he really is. Forget him. Just think the guy who sleeps with Paula Patton.
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  3. ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio

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    Doubley double
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  4. Aytee-Aytee Jedi Master

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    Quick 'shop before I go to work.
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    "We're here for your daughter, Chuck!"
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  5. harpua Chosen One

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    That was posted on the first page of the thread.
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  6. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Your welcome, though virtually the same class of arguments could be made against you. Calling her a string of words profane enough to be unprintable on this website doesn't really advance your cause. Much like her act, you deliberately chose the most inflammatory and provocative language possible to describe your objections. In the first place, as with her, it makes it very hard to deny that this wasn't your intention. And again, regardless of whether it was not, it doens't appreciably change what you actually did.
  7. dp4m Chosen One

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  8. tom Force Ghost

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    so wocky is your basic assertion that people who overtly express sensuality deserve to be called names?
  9. dp4m Chosen One

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    I'm a man-whore.
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  10. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Usually he calls them subversives.
  11. dp4m Chosen One

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    Or Margaery
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  12. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    That is not my assertion at all, and the whole purpose of my last post was to point why that sort of attitude is wrong.

    The penultimate post addresses the idea of the actual act. There are a couple lines of argument that can be advanced. One common defense of many dance routines is that, although they might bear some resemblance to (or even be derivative from) more unsavory contexts, the slippery slope argument is not valid. People are merely engaging in them because they are enjoyable and challenging. It's the sort of thing movies like Footloose present.

    Alternatively, one can turn to the notion of expressing sensuality/sexuality. There are also some fair arguments to be made in this direction, as a general case. But as I pointed out earlier, they don't much apply to Cyrus. She specifically calls attention to the notion of acting "like [she's] in a strip club." This is neither a normal nor terribly healthy expression of human sexuality. It reinforces a heavily gendered power dynamic, creates unrealistic expectations, and gives no real consideration to the humanity of other participants. In these dimensions, it doesn't being to resemble what even the most ardent advocates of open sexuality call for. I can respect someone that wants to have the discussion you are raising, but Cyrus is pretty clearly declining to take part in the dialogue. She's not trying to say anything about sexuality, so much as to employ its most over-stated imagery. There's not much positive about that, and I don't see why people shouldn't point out how bad it was.
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  13. Zapdos Jedi Grand Master

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    You know there's a second alternative, right? Not commenting on others (i.e not you, not your business) in an unfriendly manner just because you disapprove
    I will demonstrate it to you by not calling you a -. (I have to leave this sentence unfinished for the sake of my point)
  14. DT421 Jedi Master

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    Yeah, but not from that angle, Kristie. Apparently people need to see that from different angles. :p
  15. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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  18. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Why are we reposing random sentence fragments?
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    To push you towards getting a formal education. The Electric Company is good to get a start, but sooner or later you're going to want to go to school, Wocky.
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  20. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Shame on you for not using cascading belittling quotes.
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  22. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    i had no idea norman conquest-based humor would be so popular itt

    how about those carolingians and their wacky names? pepin the short? charles the fat? louis the stammerer?! YO EH OVAHEAR!!
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  23. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    I choose to read this as the "f" word, which makes your ramblings sound mildly delusional.

    Strangely, this still works.
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  24. Ender Sai Chosen One

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    So, if she had substituted the "strip club" environment for say, chain-marrying kings the overt lasciviousness would be praise worthy, correct?

    Miley, Margaery... both start with an "M". Hmmm.
  25. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    Setting aside your insinuation that "chain-marrying" might imply anything more than brave perseverance after a failed relationship, yes.

    There are plenty of ways to express your sexuality. Many of them are good, or at least harmless. The method she chose was not. Again, probably because she wasn't sincerely trying to express anything anyway, so much as provoke other people.
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