ST "Mizzlewump" Rumor - Too Many Coincidences?

This thread is for specifically discussing the "Mizzlewump" rumor because it was posted in March 2014, before casting was announced and before most of the other rumors started circulating.

That makes it of particular interest for a lot of us because A) It claims to have gotten its info directly from the script, and B) It could not have been made up based off of casting choices or the rumors it pre-dates.

That leaves the question: If a large number of the details in this rumor turn out to be true, how could the writer have known or guessed this without actually, as they said, reading the script?

Basically, this rumor is particularly useful for comparative purposes because it is so detailed and leaked so early in the year.

 

An idea about incorporating Lando's son and former stormtrooper. (not that I believe the stuff about Lando's son-just making a scenario)

Bespin is taken hostage by former Imperials. The former Imperials hold onto it as ordered by another, larger villain who remains a mystery.

Lando's son is forced to work for the former Imperials and is part of a large group combing the galaxy for something (which leads him to the lightsaber).

Lando's son does this in exhange for the safety of his homeworld which is being threatened. He therefore has a job to do but only for the purpose of helping his family and homeworld. If he fails, he risks the safety and lives of those he cares about.

This information could be concealed until later in the movie after he and Daisy strike up a relationship. If he helps Daisy, Daisy could use her influence to help his world (of course her father could get things done).

Again-just a thought about how things COULD work.

 

Understood, but, again, aren't they really the same rumor? Whether it was reported before or after casting announcements, they're still the same. If it quacks like a duck...

 

Another day, another update to the Rumor Roundup (new rumors described in green):





>Leia is made leader of the Republic after her predecessor’s death (Supported by "Leia and the Hutts" rumor?)
http://makingstarwars.net/2014/08/s...oks-dooku-connection-leia-hutts-lucas-vision/

>Han is a retired veteran of the Republic fleet (Supported by "Han's new ride" rumor? Devin now says this may be inaccurate)
http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/15/exclusive-find-out-about-han-solos-new-ride-in-episode-vii/

>Luke hasn’t been seen in nearly 30 years (Supported by "Luke missing" rumor?)
http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/20/exclusive-star-wars-episode-vii-plot-details-revealed/

>the lead character is Han and Leia’s daughter

>the other lead is the child of Lando, and either a male or female depending on who is cast (Not an exact fit, but Oscar Isaacs was just described as "the new Lando... complete with cape" by Devin. Maybe the "Lando's child" character became "Lando's protege" in a later draft?)
http://badassdigest.com/2014/08/15/exclusive-find-out-about-han-solos-new-ride-in-episode-vii/

>the other lead is a Stormtrooper, also either a male or female depending on who is cast (Stated before any "Boyega is a stormtrooper" rumors)
http://makingstarwars.net/2014/06/rumors-john-boyegas-character-star-wars-episode-vii/
http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/20/star-wars-episode-vii-follow-up-john-boyegas-character-is/
http://thisisinfamous.com/exclusive-finding-factfiction-star-wars-episode-vii-plot-rumors/

>dialogue for these two characters is very rough in the second draft

>Luke has no known offspring

>The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic (First rumor to claim the Empire still exists)
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exc...man-and-star-wars-vii-243#q7R2vAbYpGo8GI5K.99

>The Empire is simply referred to as the “Empire,” and the Republic is referred to formally only once, as the “Galactic Republic;” no “New” anywhere

>There are no Jedi whatsoever, and people still speak as if they are extinct, with Luke being “the last of his kind”

>The main antagonists are an older student of the Emperor, and his apprentice

>The apprentice takes control of the power dynamic between the two pretty quickly… (Supported by the rumor of an early large-scale battle sequence with Driver?)
http://thisisinfamous.com/exclusive-finding-factfiction-star-wars-episode-vii-plot-rumors/

>The Republic are excavating ruins on a neutral world for a weapon; the world factors into tense negotiations the Empire have had with the Republic, and is referred to as the “Sith Homeworld” (Stated before Devin and Billy brought up a superweapon on a planet)
http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/20/star-wars-episode-vii-follow-up-john-boyegas-character-is/
http://thisisinfamous.com/exclusive-finding-factfiction-star-wars-episode-vii-plot-rumors/
http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-ruin-ruins-and-ruining

>Loredump: In the script, the Sith are a couple thousand years old, founded by an ancestor of Palpatine called Ruin; the apprentice in this film also goes by that name (Da7e claims the villain is named "Ruin" and the founder of the Sith is named "Ruin")
http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-ruin-ruins-and-ruining

>the ruins within the Sith Homeworld are a control station; the planet itself is the weapon (Da7e states the same thing)
http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-ruin-ruins-and-ruining

>Luke saves the day at the end, but in a bad way; he has changed (Stated before the Starwars7news rumor of a Luke boss fight) (First to imply Luke uses the DS to save the day)
http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/06/rumor-possible-star-wars-episode-7.html
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...saber-talk-to-the-hand-hand.50021786/page-151




Notable rumors not mentioned here:

• "Han leading a galaxy-wide search party for Luke Skywalker" (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67758)
• A lightsaber as a MacGuffin (http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/20/exclusive-star-wars-episode-vii-plot-details-revealed/)
• Stormtrooper character is hunted by his commanding officer (http://badassdigest.com/2014/07/22/...ies-star-wars-episode-vii-character-was-gend/)

 

">The Empire still exists in the form of a number of loyal galaxies and are in a state of cold war with the Republic (First rumor to claim the Empire still exists)
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/exc...man-and-star-wars-vii-243#q7R2vAbYpGo8GI5K.99"

I read that linked source and I don't see references to "galaxies". Trivially I could assume you meant "systems". But that really doesn't cover the magnitude of sheer real estate required to run something worthy of being called an empire.

 

The "galaxies" is from Mizzlewump, not joblo. Mizzlewump very likely made an error using that word.

 

Mizzlewump said that Ruin is an ancestor of Palpatine. Is it possible that Mizzlewump is confusing the lineage of Sith with biological ancestry?

 

No, they just have the same name.

 

The lineage of Sith and biological ancestry have the same name?

 

Yes, the ancestor of Palpatine and the apprentice in this film goes by the same name.

 

I know that much. I was asking if Mizzlewump incorrectly assumed that the Sith were founded by an ancestor of Palpatine.

 

Darth Ruin?

 

I see. It then has the ring of credibility, solely for me, that the Mizzlewump source is onto something. To promulgate a truly informed set of false rumors would require a minimum competence that recognizes that the stage for the Star Wars story need not exceed one grand spiral. That the promulgator does not have that competence suggests to me they were not making up the other items. tldr: You cannot make up something so stupid as that someone thought the Star Wars story required more than one galaxy. But there may be performance artists of stupidity who could fake it, maybe.

None of these rumors bug me, and some are promising.

I don't know what a "Sith weapon" does. Is it like a blame thrower? Is it a Total Perspective Vortex? Does it cause Buffy the Vampire singalong? Does it cause LOST finale parallel universe purgatory? Does it cause weeping angels banishment in time? Does it act like 4400 promicin on your mitochondria? What exactly, pray tell, is worse than the technological terror that destroyed an entire planet, which is the largest contiguous unit of mass habitability? Two planets? Now you're jumping the shark. A whole star? Sorry, jumping the shark. Any given star is going to have a habitable zone that accommodates just about ONE planet that is habitable in the sense of the stage and environment settings of the fantasy, Star Wars, which ranges from standing-in-cold to standing-in-hot. Destroys two whole stars? Now jumping two sharks. Destroying one planet was all that needed to be said about weapons and technological terror. And pale blue dot for another set and AGW for yet another.

 

What if the weapon isn't really a weapon in conventional terms. What if it is something like the Kyber Crystal which can magnify the power of the Force, thus wreaking havoc on the galaxy because they intend to use it to build a grand army.

 

That's what was implied.
So, would that mean Bane and Palpatine are distant relations?

 

My thoughts were this, if the rumors are true... the planet is a weapon in that it's the place so strong or convergence or whatever and that it is Luke who has discovered how to use it, and he's protecting it understanding it for the time he's gone. The bad guys find out some how, but know they can't kill Luke because they need the secret to use it.

having the bad guys not be able to kill luke would be interesting, using his friends (and family) to get him to spill the beans ends up causing him to use the planets power but it changes him - i don't know rips the force ability out of him or makes him uber powerful that changes him from the Luke that we know... something like that

 

I can see this alleged plant being almost like Krypton or the place with the Krypton crystals in the original Superman movies.

There's a resource with tremendous strength-possibly a core to the Force.

 

I had a thought.

One that I don't believe I have seen on these boards, but then again it may very well be hidden somewhere in our legions of posts.

This is not so much an idea of who the baddie is, but more along the lines of what he/she is doing.

I placed it in this thread, as it assumes at least part of what we have heard is true...namely that 1) Luke has no "known" offspring.

What if, sometime during the last 30 years, Luke met a girl who was sent by our "baddie" for the sole purpose of getting pregnant, only to return to our baddie so that this child can be raised as a Sith. The baddie is hedging on the bet that Skywalker children have a high midi count...and this one does...

Luke has no idea he has this kid. No one knows this kid is a Son of Skywalker. All Luke would have is this distant memory of someone he fell in love with and it didn't work out.

Has this been discussed?

 

Good One. I like it.

 

I'm a newbie to posting here, but I've been lurking a while. I had a thought about this Mizzlewump rumor. Has anyone confirmed Lupita Nyong'o's role in this movie? The rumor says "the child of Lando" and we all assumed it was John Boyega, but wouldn't it make just as much sense if it was her? In reality, Billy Dee Williams is 77 and John Boyega is 22 while Lupita Nyong'o is 31, it seems more realistic that Lando would have a kid at 46 than 55. Just a thought I had. I know it has been speculated about her role as a villain, but IF Lando's offspring is playing a role in his film then I think she makes the most sense.

 

At this point, Making Star Wars, Latino Review and Badass Digest have said they've heard Lupita is playing the role of a villain.

 

"Galaxies" was either a typo (hopefully), or Mizzlewump clearly doesn't know what a Galaxy is.

 

People still sleeping on the Osacar Issac being Lando's son possibility I see.

 

I wonder why all these leaks never mention any other character name except for Ruin?

 

this one's a personal favourite, he could certainly see him as a Lando type if not his son.