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Discussion in 'Star Wars: Sequel Trilogy (Released Films)' started by Ender_and_Bean, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    Does anyone else feel such a thread would prove useful if updated? It could be referred to whenever people theorize based on timeline specifics that are inaccurate. New Cannon additions can add to this. Pablo Hidalgo confirmations on timeline can add to this. This timeline is focused primarily on new additions to Cannon including new characters and events surrounding them.

    Timelines related to people, places and things tied to VII, VIII and IX
    - 1036 BBY - Maz Kanata is born.
    - 1000 years - Dark Saber stolen by Mandalorians. Sith go into hiding. Darth Bane institutes the rule of 2.
    -35 BBY - Gallius Rax is born on Jakku.
    -23 BBY - At the age of 12 Rax spots Palpatine on Jakku excavating and joins him. Says an object is buried here that was important a thousand years ago (see above) and would be again.
    -15 BBY - At age 20 Rax formally has his first record with the Empire.
    0 - Battle of Yavin
    + 4 ABY - Battle of Endor
    + 4.5 ABY - Rax names himself Counselor of the Empire following The Emperor's death. He's already begun laying the foundations for the First Order in the Outer Rim.
    + 5 ABY - Battle of Jakku / Ben Solo is born to Han and Leia.
    + 11 ABY - Finn is born.
    + 15 ABY - Rey is born.
    + 22 ABY - Rey is abandoned on Jakku. *Estimated based on Bloodline, TFA visuals, and Hidalgo tweets.
    + 28 ABY - Snoke, as that name, is still not known as that name yet to Leia. Leia and Luke are outed to the world as Vader's children. Ben Solo learns of his lineage.
    - Known Gap in time here where Ben turns on Luke and destroys his temple and Luke goes into hiding for no more than 6 years.
    + 34 - The Force Awakens timeline begins.

    Key timeline takeaways for theories and speculation:

    1) Rey is born 9 years after the Battle of Jakku.

    2) Ben Solo turns on Luke at age 23 or so. The Skywalker name has been disgraced. Rey has been on Jakku for years alone prior to Ben's turn so these two events do not appear incredibly related. Leia builds the Resistence. Han goes back to Smuggling after the loss of his son.

    3) Luke has been missing for no more than 6 years and was happily teaching up until roughly 6 years prior to TFA. If Rey was his he likely either didn't know at this point in time or has never known. R2 has been in sleep mode for no more than a similar period of time.

    4) Several popular key turning points occurred to the Sith roughly 1000 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. There may be several tie-ins to what The Emperor wanted with Jakku and why Jakku has remained so important to this saga.

    5) Finn was taken from a family he never knew likely close to when Rey was born. About 6-7 years after that Rey is seen being left/hidden with Plutt on Jakku. So, Finn would have been about 10 or so when Rey was left on Jakku. Ben Solo about 17.

    6) Maz Kanata was actually alive prior to the time period the Emperor referred to as important when excavating Jakku.

    7) The Falcon was stolen twice by 2 different groups between the Battle of Endor and when Plutt acquires it prior to TFA.

    8) Key artifacts related to the war have been going up for sale on the black market to help fund the New Order. Casino money and Spice money as well. Maz Kanata's ties to crime (her bar was originally imagined as a Casino) would have likely allowed her to be aware of the saber and purchase it. Likely not for cheap. She's invested in this story personally and could be back. The ties to the Casino money and relics could help explain the Casino scenes in VIII up ahead.

    9) Snoke has not been outed as an actual name Leia is aware of as late as 6 years prior to TFA. He somehow reveals himself to her and Han under that name within that time span and Kylo Ren joins him for the first time. Their dialogue that Snoke got to Ben implied to me this happened over years so this all seemed to happen quite late.
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  2. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    Bump. Made this a month ago. In the Rey thread someone asked Moderators if such a thread could exist. COD suggested such an idea could if somebody put in the effort. I already had so I bumped this and am now providing a subsequent timeline of events related to this bump because I'm thorough. ;-)
    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Feb 13, 2017
  3. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    Some new additions to the timeline that I can't do because of the edit policy in bold.

    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Feb 13, 2017
  4. Artoo-Dion New Films Manager

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    This is now the mod-approved sequel trilogy timeline thread.

    Please keep this strictly on-topic to only timeline events relevant to the sequel trilogy.
  5. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    I wrote "William Bly Shadow concept" and it's too late to edit. I meant to write Robert Bly/Carl Jung.
  6. ThreeDeathstickProblem Force Ghost

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    All hail the sequel trilogy successor to DarthLightlyBruise, @Ender_and_Bean! ^:)^
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  7. Darthur C. Clarke Jedi Padawan

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    Does the bold stuff include new information from empire's end?
  8. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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  9. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    NEW UPDATES TO TIMELINE BELOW:

    Some info on Rae Sloan has now been added.

    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Feb 14, 2017
  10. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    NEW UPDATES TO TIMELINE BELOW:

    Due to the significance of the well, ancient computational devices with star maps to the Outer Regions where Palpatine can sense something/someone and how much of the new canon and ST seems to tie into the history of Jakku and everything that seems to happen on it since I've added the bit from Aftermath about how the planet used to be teaming with life.



    Timelines related to people, places and things tied to VII, VIII and IX:

    - Unknown time prior to 1036 BBY an individual first referred to as the Concecrated Eremite ("Concecreated" = Annointed/Made sacred and "Eremite" which means "devoted hermit") lived on Jakku when it was lush and green. A well is presumably later dug right into the planet's life essence at an unknown time (perhaps -1023 BBY if the completion (or discovery of?) the well is in fact the object that Palpatine believed was significant 1000 years ago and would be again. The tapping of the planet's life essence seems to have drained the planet of life. Where all that energy went is unknown but the fact ancient computational devices at the same site contain detailed maps of the other regions suggest those two elements could be related.

    - 1036 BBY - Maz Kanata is born.

    - 1000 years - Dark Saber stolen by Mandalorians. Sith go into hiding. Darth Bane institutes the rule of 2.

    -41 BBY Rae Sloane, future inheritor of the New Empire/First Order (Pre-Snoke affiliation) is born on Ganthel

    -35 BBY - Gallius Rax is born on Jakku.

    -23 BBY - At the age of 12 Rax spots Palpatine on Jakku excavating and joins him. Says an object is buried here that was important a thousand years ago (see above) and would be again.

    -15 BBY - At age 20 Rax formally has his first record with the Empire.
    0 - Battle of Yavin

    + 4 ABY - Battle of Endor

    + 4.5 ABY - Rax names himself Counselor of the Empire following The Emperor's death. He's already begun laying the foundations for the First Order in the Outer Rim.

    + 5 ABY

    Rae Sloan poses as the Operator (an Insider helping the new Republic) and eventually meets Mon Mothma on Liberation Day. Gallius Rax uses this meeting to stage an assisination attempt on the New Republic leadership but Leia is on Kashyyyk, avoiding this and Mothma survives the attack. Rae Sloan, now a Grand Admiral decided Gallius Rax should be executed and is nearly killed while setting out to do so.

    Battle of Jakku

    Ben Solo is born to Han and Leia.

    Gallius Rax throws Yupe Tasho down a Force well in an Observatory on Jakku. He's sent into that with a Sith holocron, a Kyber mask and another artifact. His intention is to rot this Force well from the inside that's providing life. Gallius Rax is killed by Rae Sloane. Rae Sloan heads to the Outer Regions with Armitage Hux. A child soldier army has already begun.

    + 11 ABY - Finn is born.

    + 15 ABY - Rey is born.

    + 22 ABY - Rey is abandoned on Jakku. *Estimated based on Bloodline, TFA visuals, and Hidalgo tweets.

    + 28 ABY - Snoke, as that name, is still not known as that name yet to Leia. Leia and Luke are outed to the world as Vader's children. Ben Solo learns of his lineage.

    - Known Gap in time here where Ben turns on Luke and destroys his temple and Luke goes into hiding for no more than 6 years.

    + 34 - The Force Awakens timeline begins.

    Key timeline takeaways for theories and speculation:

    1) Rey is born 9 years after the Battle of Jakku.

    2) Ben Solo turns on Luke at age 23 or so. The Skywalker name has been disgraced. Rey has been on Jakku for years alone prior to Ben's turn so these two events do not appear incredibly related. Leia builds the Resistence. Han goes back to Smuggling after the loss of his son.

    3) Luke has been missing for no more than 6 years and was happily teaching up until roughly 6 years prior to TFA. If Rey was his he likely either didn't know at this point in time or has never known. R2 has been in sleep mode for no more than a similar period of time.

    4) Several popular key turning points occurred to the Sith roughly 1000 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. There may be several tie-ins to what The Emperor wanted with Jakku and why Jakku has remained so important to this saga. It seems now the main things related to this are the Observatory, which contains Sith artifacts and ancient computational devices with star charts of the Outer Region and a well that runs directly into the life essence of the planet which may have Light Side properties since it disgusts the Emperor so.

    5) Finn was taken from a family he never knew likely close to when Rey was born. About 6-7 years after that Rey is seen being left/hidden with Plutt on Jakku. So, Finn would have been about 10 or so when Rey was left on Jakku. Ben Solo about 17.

    6) Maz Kanata was actually alive prior to the time period the Emperor referred to as important when excavating Jakku.

    7) The Falcon was stolen twice by 2 different groups between the Battle of Endor and when Plutt acquires it prior to TFA.

    8) Key artifacts related to the war have been going up for sale on the black market to help fund the New Order. Casino money and Spice money as well. Maz Kanata's ties to crime (her bar was originally imagined as a Casino) would have likely allowed her to be aware of the saber and purchase it. Likely not for cheap. She's invested in this story personally and could be back. The ties to the Casino money and relics could help explain the Casino scenes in VIII up ahead.

    9) Snoke has not been outed as an actual name Leia is aware of as late as 6 years prior to TFA. He somehow reveals himself to her and Han under that name within that time span and Kylo Ren joins him for the first time. Their dialogue that Snoke got to Ben implied to me this happened over years so this all seemed to happen quite late.

    10) The Emperor had a connection that only he could sense to the Outer Region. Not even Vader could sense this. An Observatory is built over an excavated well that seems to have Light Side/Life essence within it. It disgusts the Emperor but he's fascinated by it along with some ancient computational devices that contain Star charts to the outer Region. He seems to beleive these things will be important again for the first time in a thousand years.

    11) We now know that Han had been to Jakku at some point much earlier. He mentions a religion there.

    12) We now know Luke was in contact with Leia about her pregnancy officially and tried to ease her concerns by telling her that everything strong in the Light creates an equally powerful shadow. This line is important for a couple reasons. One, it highlights the Robert Bly/Carl Jung shadow concept that Rian Johnson has suggested is a big part of his mythology. This bit could have even come from Chuck talking with Rian for all we know. And, two, it shows us that Luke was in closer contact with Leia then and that he has come to the realization of the idea of Carl Jung's shadow at that age. Which may suggest where he's headed later in life.

    13) Rae Sloane may be in charge of what becomes the First Order by the time 6ABY is approaching. How long she remains in charge after that remains a mystery. She isn't mentioned in Bloodline which takes place 6 years prior to TFA and would be retirement age even if she somehow did remain in power that long.
    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Feb 14, 2017
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  11. Master of None Jedi Knight

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    Thanks because I don't quite understand how Rax is asscoiated with ST when he has never been mentioned and the average person would have no clue who he is or Rae Sloan for that matter.
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  12. Force Smuggler Force Ghost

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    He led the Empire after ROTJ. The same Empire that would become the genesis of the First Order, the big bad of the ST.
    The Aftermath trilogy is the start of the 30 years between ROTJ and TFA. TFA doesn't happen right after ROTJ. It's all one canon now.
    If people want nothing between the two, so be it. But this is here for those that do.
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  13. Master of None Jedi Knight

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    Thank you
  14. Satipo Force Ghost

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    Good work, Ender. I think looking at this, the only way Ben is still an option for being the one that dropped Rey on Jakku, is if he left her on Jakku then maintained an act for several years before he turned on Luke and "outed" himself. If this were to be the case, I'd guess he was doing it on Snoke's orders, or to protect her from Snoke (perhaps rather than kill her?). But with no other evidence to suggest this, this theory seems like an outside bet for now.

    RE Luke, I'd agree that it if Luke only disappeared 6 years prior to TFA, it seems unlikely he would have knowingly left a daughter on Jakku/ lost a daughter. So if Rey is his daughter, I'd suggest Luke can't know?
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  15. Jedi Master Scorpio Jedi Master

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    Very good work on this indeed. I never bought the idea that Ben/Kylo was the one who left Rey on Jakku either. I've read all the material and made the same conclusion that Ender has posted. The timeline of events doesn't support it.

    Now as far as Luke goes, the only possible out that I see with Luke being Rey's father is exactly what you mentioned Satipo, and that is if he had know knowledge of her at all. Other than that, there is no way that Luke would leave her on Jakku if he knew about her.
  16. D'an Jedi Master

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    Nice work, @Ender_and_Bean

    Any ideas on when the Falcon & Lor San Tekka arrived on Jakku?
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  17. DjangoKet Jedi Knight

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    I like this thread

    also side note is there an easier way to use the emoticons on here? I cant scroll down to the star wars themed ones and i wanted to put a little maz face next to my post.
  18. EHT New Films Manager

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    You should be able to just scroll down once you click the dropdown arrow by the smiley face in the box at the top. But that's on a computer, it doesn't really work that way on a tablet or phone. In that case, you can enter the codes shown here:

    http://boards.theforce.net/help/smilies

    But there's not currently a Maz icon available.
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  19. oncafar Jedi Master

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  20. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    A couple things related to Rey:

    1) I'm not convinced she was "left" on Jakku at the time of the Force vision anyway.
    2) I can update the timeline to what I will now refer to as "Rey has a Force-related flashback of herself on Jakku as a child. In this vision she is already wearing tattered, peasant clothing suitable for life on Jakku, indicating that this may in fact not be the moment she's first departed from her actual family." Pablo Hidalgo places her age in this scene as 5. As somebody with children I don't see her as younger than that there, personally.
    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Mar 3, 2017
  21. Ender_and_Bean Jedi Grand Master

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    SMALL UPDATES TO TIMELINE BELOW RELATED TO REY FORCEBACK:

    Due to the significance of the well, ancient computational devices with star maps to the Outer Regions where Palpatine can sense something/someone and how much of the new canon and ST seems to tie into the history of Jakku and everything that seems to happen on it since I've added the bit from Aftermath about how the planet used to be teaming with life.



    Timelines related to people, places and things tied to VII, VIII and IX:

    - Unknown time prior to 1036 BBY an individual first referred to as the Concecrated Eremite ("Concecreated" = Annointed/Made sacred and "Eremite" which means "devoted hermit") lived on Jakku when it was lush and green. A well is presumably later dug right into the planet's life essence at an unknown time (perhaps -1023 BBY if the completion (or discovery of?) the well is in fact the object that Palpatine believed was significant 1000 years ago and would be again. The tapping of the planet's life essence seems to have drained the planet of life. Where all that energy went is unknown but the fact ancient computational devices at the same site contain detailed maps of the other regions suggest those two elements could be related.

    - 1036 BBY - Maz Kanata is born.

    - 1000 years - Dark Saber stolen by Mandalorians. Sith go into hiding. Darth Bane institutes the rule of 2.

    -41 BBY Rae Sloane, future inheritor of the New Empire/First Order (Pre-Snoke affiliation) is born on Ganthel

    -35 BBY - Gallius Rax is born on Jakku.

    -23 BBY - At the age of 12 Rax spots Palpatine on Jakku excavating and joins him. Says an object is buried here that was important a thousand years ago (see above) and would be again.

    -15 BBY - At age 20 Rax formally has his first record with the Empire.
    0 - Battle of Yavin

    + 4 ABY - Battle of Endor

    + 4.5 ABY - Rax names himself Counselor of the Empire following The Emperor's death. He's already begun laying the foundations for the First Order in the Outer Rim.

    + 5 ABY

    Rae Sloan poses as the Operator (an Insider helping the new Republic) and eventually meets Mon Mothma on Liberation Day. Gallius Rax uses this meeting to stage an assisination attempt on the New Republic leadership but Leia is on Kashyyyk, avoiding this and Mothma survives the attack. Rae Sloan, now a Grand Admiral decided Gallius Rax should be executed and is nearly killed while setting out to do so.

    Battle of Jakku

    Ben Solo is born to Han and Leia.

    Gallius Rax throws Yupe Tasho down a Force well in an Observatory on Jakku. He's sent into that with a Sith holocron, a Kyber mask and another artifact. His intention is to rot this Force well from the inside that's providing life. Gallius Rax is killed by Rae Sloane. Sloan stops Jakku from exploding and covers the Force well. Rae Sloan heads to the Outer Regions with Armitage Hux. A child soldier army has already begun.

    + 11 ABY - Finn is born.

    + 15 ABY - Rey is born.

    + 20 ABY - Rey is seen calling to people to come back. It's unclear if these are in fact people she's spent time with a long time, or simply people she wishes could be her parents. She's already wearing tattered, peasant-style desert-appropriate clothing so this may in fact not be her first arrival on Jakku. This is a Force-driven flashback. Estimated timeline based on TFA visuals, and Hidalgo tweets.

    + 28 ABY - Snoke, as that name, is still not known as that name yet to Leia. Leia and Luke are outed to the world as Vader's children. Ben Solo learns of his lineage.

    - Known Gap in time here where Ben turns on Luke and destroys his temple and Luke goes into hiding for no more than 6 years.

    + 34 - The Force Awakens timeline begins.

    Key timeline takeaways for theories and speculation:

    1) Rey is born 9 years after the Battle of Jakku.

    2) Ben Solo turns on Luke at age 23 or so. The Skywalker name has been disgraced. Rey has been on Jakku for years alone prior to Ben's turn so these two events do not appear incredibly related. Leia builds the Resistence. Han goes back to Smuggling after the loss of his son.

    3) Luke has been missing for no more than 6 years and was happily teaching up until roughly 6 years prior to TFA. If Rey was his he likely either didn't know at this point in time or has never known. R2 has been in sleep mode for no more than a similar period of time.

    4) Several popular key turning points occurred to the Sith roughly 1000 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. There may be several tie-ins to what The Emperor wanted with Jakku and why Jakku has remained so important to this saga. It seems now the main things related to this are the Observatory, which contains Sith artifacts and ancient computational devices with star charts of the Outer Region and a well that runs directly into the life essence of the planet which may have Light Side properties since it disgusts the Emperor so.

    5) Finn was taken from a family he never knew likely close to when Rey was born. About 5 years after that Rey is seen calling out to some people on Jakku in her Forceback. She's already dressed in tattered peasant clothes so it may not be her first time on Jakku. So, Finn would have been about 9 or so when Rey is seen here. Ben Solo about 15.

    6) Maz Kanata was actually alive prior to the time period the Emperor referred to as important when excavating Jakku.

    7) The Falcon was stolen twice by 2 different groups between the Battle of Endor and when Plutt acquires it prior to TFA.

    8) Key artifacts related to the war have been going up for sale on the black market to help fund the New Order. Casino money and Spice money as well. Maz Kanata's ties to crime (her bar was originally imagined as a Casino) would have likely allowed her to be aware of the saber and purchase it. Likely not for cheap. She's invested in this story personally and could be back. The ties to the Casino money and relics could help explain the Casino scenes in VIII up ahead.

    9) Snoke has not been outed as an actual name Leia is aware of as late as 6 years prior to TFA. He somehow reveals himself to her and Han under that name within that time span and Kylo Ren joins him for the first time. Their dialogue that Snoke got to Ben implied to me this happened over years so this all seemed to happen quite late.

    10) The Emperor had a connection that only he could sense to the Outer Region. Not even Vader could sense this. An Observatory is built over an excavated well that seems to have Light Side/Life essence within it. It disgusts the Emperor but he's fascinated by it along with some ancient computational devices that contain Star charts to the outer Region. He seems to beleive these things will be important again for the first time in a thousand years.

    11) We now know that Han had been to Jakku at some point much earlier. He mentions a religion there.

    12) We now know Luke was in contact with Leia about her pregnancy officially and tried to ease her concerns by telling her that everything strong in the Light creates an equally powerful shadow. This line is important for a couple reasons. One, it highlights the Robert Bly/Carl Jung shadow concept that Rian Johnson has suggested is a big part of his mythology. This bit could have even come from Chuck talking with Rian for all we know. And, two, it shows us that Luke was in closer contact with Leia then and that he has come to the realization of the idea of Carl Jung's shadow at that age. Which may suggest where he's headed later in life.

    13) Rae Sloane may be in charge of what becomes the First Order by the time 6ABY is approaching. How long she remains in charge after that remains a mystery. She isn't mentioned in Bloodline which takes place 6 years prior to TFA and would be retirement age even if she somehow did remain in power that long.
    Last edited by Ender_and_Bean, Mar 3, 2017