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PT Morality of the clone army

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Jedi Knight Fett, Feb 3, 2015.

  1. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    The irony being those slaves would be used to oppress their former owners (except for Palps who was the true owner of them). Especially if you go by the stormtroopers are clones perspective.
     
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  2. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Given that Palpatine's "Emperor" declaration didn't exactly come with "I am now owner of everything" those clones might still be "property of the Empire's citizenry as a whole" in the first years after ROTS.

    So those Imperial citizens are "oppressed by their own property" for extra irony.
     
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  3. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Which is only lost by those who missed that the Republic became the Empire and was not replaced after a coup, which some people had thought in the beginning.
     
  4. only one kenobi

    only one kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    See...what I'm really getting at is this. We don't ever see 'the people' represented in the PT (you know, like the rebels in the OT); the story is told through means of the elites. Now, it strikes me that the actual representation of 'the people' are...the clones; all within a Plutarchian overview of 'the mob' being, ultimately, the destroyers of the Republic (completely missing the fact that, actually a new 'class' was created, a military class wirh it's own interests; a bit like suggesting that Pinochet's destruction of Chilkean democracy was due to mob-rule...it's a fricking military coup..)

    But..another question has come to me. What if the Senate rejected the clone army? What would become of the clones? If they had been paid for alrerady, what would the Kaminoans do with them? It costs to feed and house them so...they are (as units) no longer of any use or profit to the Kaminoans. Would they not simply be destroyed? And if they were paid for..then isn't the Senate going to ask how much this is all going to cost? Are they not, then, going to be suspicious about who paid for them? That would answer many questions, right? And if they weren't paid for..then by rejecting them the Kaminoans would then be in a position to demand payment from those who they had contracted with....so that the truth about who ordered them would come to light.
     
  5. Slicer87

    Slicer87 Jedi Master star 4

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    Other than Luke, Han, and Chewie, we don't really know of any "the people" with the Rebels. Leia is a princess, Mon Mothra was a senator, generals and admirals usually come from elite social classes. We know Biggs was a normal Joe, but we don't know the social class that Wedge, Dak, or the other pilots came from.

    Sids had Dooku stir up the Seps, to create a crisis to panic the senate to adopt the clone army. The original plan probably was to have the CIS, attack to force the senate to agree to adopt an army, but the threat was more than enough. As you pointed out, that is why I like the idea of Stormtroopers being clones, a manufactured military class to enforce Palpatine ' s will, an even more extreme version of Dune ' s Sardaukar.
     
  6. darth-sinister

    darth-sinister Manager Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Right, but remember, the Clonetroopers were very much like the Stormtroopers of the OT. Faceless and almost inhuman. Lucas focused on the Jedi, the Sith, Nute, Padme, Bail and Shmi as our human faces. We weren't supposed to identify with the the clones like we did the human Rebels, whose faces were seen and names were given. The Stormtroopers of the OT had serial number identifications and the Clonetroopers were given names by the Jedi, in an attempt to humanize them. That's why Dave Filoni was able to get away with giving the Clonetroopers a point of view in "The Clone Wars" and we saw in "Rebels" how Rex, Wolffe and Gregor felt in the aftermath of Order 66. Filoni was allowed to go where Lucas either couldn't go, or wouldn't go.


    That's why Palpatine authorized that assassination attempt on Padme and used it to gain Emergency Powers, so he could authorize the creation and use of an army. The whole conspiracy was about gaining political powers, in order to bypass the Senate. As to what would happen, the Kaminoans see the clones as product. They would dispose of them without remorse. As to getting paid, the Sith already paid for the Clone Army. The Senate had to vote to authorize more clones to be made, but that was later in the war.
     
  7. LZM65

    LZM65 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Do you mean those who fought in Rebel Alliance military? Or Owen and Beru Lars?
     
  8. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    If we take this from the Clones perspective most of them did not think of themselves as slaves. Most were content with what they had with only a few outliers (Cut Lawquane and Slick). Although that's more because of them being born and raised to fight then not.