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ST Moving forward: Was killing off Han Genius?

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Jedirush2112, Jan 22, 2016.

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Do You want to See the Solo Spin Off even more now that Han is Dead?

  1. Yes

    17 vote(s)
    17.9%
  2. No

    44 vote(s)
    46.3%
  3. Same

    34 vote(s)
    35.8%
  1. obi-arin-kenobi

    obi-arin-kenobi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Weak death. A disgrace to the character. Why rush things, first of all. Second, Captain Solo, if he were to die so quickly, ought to have went down with his ship.
     
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  2. CorellianVolkswagen

    CorellianVolkswagen Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Maybe no promises, but they told us he was going to be in the movie and he didn't even have a line. He just stood there for a few seconds, I'm assuming that isn't what anybody had in mind, even out of a limited role. I think we all would have been looking forward to the next film even if they hadn't held out on the Hamill. I just fail to see how it's a genius move is all I'm saying. Everybody is going crazy to see Ep. VIII anyway to answer all their questions about Rey, Finn and Kylo.
     
  3. CorellianVolkswagen

    CorellianVolkswagen Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I almost got the feeling they killed Han off just so the new characters could get the Falcon. Which is much too popular of a toy to just destroy in the first film.
     
  4. MeBeJedi

    MeBeJedi Force Ghost star 6

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    I was going to say.....getting rid of Han is one thing.....getting rid of the Falcon is another! :eek:
     
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  5. Skillzwalker

    Skillzwalker Jedi Master star 3

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    The Falcon stays! Forever!
     
  6. Lt. Hija

    Lt. Hija Jedi Master star 4

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    I for one didn't want to see Han Solo vanish in a blaze of glory, because that would have been a predictable death.

    How he left us somewhat came as a surprise although I had been too focused on Kylo to really grasp what was happening at first.
     
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  7. Strongbow

    Strongbow Force Ghost star 5

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    Hear! Hear! I play the X-Wing minatures game and the Falcon is great. Now I just need my Rey pilot card and Finn crew card!
     
  8. MasterDekan

    MasterDekan Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    I accept that at some point, even heroes die. That's actually the truth Anakin was running from in the PT. So I'm ok with Han having to die sometime.

    My only problem with the execution of Han dying in TFA is that everything he'd fought for in the OT had been lost. He deserved some kind of reward in his death. He doesn't get that. He reconciles with Leia at the last minute, and does the heroic sacrifice to try to bring back his son, but without being shown Han and Ben's relationship prior to Ben's fall, without so much as a Han recalling his prior pride in his son, the death scene feels flat. That there's no moment of mourning shown by Leia is even worse.

    Yes they gave us a thematic reason why Han has to die - Kylo must prove to himself that he can be one with the dark side -but they don't give us an emotional ground in that moment. I'm not feeling anything in that scene about a son gravely, mistakenly, cutting the light out of his life, which is what I think they were going for. Han really didn't appear to be the light for Ben, as we don't get a moment where Ben doesn't resent him or where Han recalls being anything but a failed father. So all I feel in that scene is the death of one of my favorite characters.

    Not terrible, but it needed work.
     
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  9. Ricardo Funes

    Ricardo Funes Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It was perfect.

    I was sure that Han would die when he walked in the bridge, then when Kylo handed him the lightsaber, I thought for one second that it was going to be ok

    And then the lights are out, red fills the face of Kylo (cinematography OMG), and then .....

    This had such impact upon me, I needed to see the film another time, as after that my mind was not able to fully absorb the rest of the movie.

    At least for me and for everyone I talked to, they had the same feelings.

    Han touching the face of his son, the one that just killed him.... this show us how far Han has come. That is beautiful.

    From "I know" to this, Han is even more a myth.

    I expect to see the full impact of Han's death in Leia and Chewie in the next episode. For sure this will guide the next actions of those 2 characters.
     
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  10. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not sure what to think of the whole concept. Trying to fill in Han's backstory with another actor is a damn near insurmountable task, Harrison Ford occupies such an iconic space in the fandom, we all grew up with OT and have seen his scenes and his expressions countless times. To try and mimic those performances with some pretty boy young actor just seems a bit foolish to me. I've looked at the candidates that are in consideration, and I get a Harrison vibe from exactly zero of them.. I just think Han the character and Ford the actor were just one of those 'lightning in a bottle' combinations that can't be reproduced. Admirable that they're trying, but still..
     
  11. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    Excellent summary.

    To be perfectly honest, the only reason I want this film is the hope it's a back door Fett story. :D
     
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  12. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    I agree. There is no way in my mind they will be able to reproduce what they did with Ford and Solo. It'll probably be a good movie overall but no one can do Solo like Harrison Ford. Just not possible
     
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  13. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    'Back Door Fett' does sound like an entirely different story all right :p

    Lol kidding I know what you mean. They did mention that a Fett sighting would be a possibility, I think it would be cool if they frame Han-Fett as this long standing rivalry they've shared since their youth.
     
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  14. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    Are we shipping again? xDDDD

    I really hope so. I can see why they would be extremely hesitant to a Fett movie as much of the demanding fans (from what I've seen) want dark & gritty which frankly, is a bit risky for SW. I'm hoping they're watching Deadpool (and I say this with some regret) probably Suicide Squad closely and will use such metrics to decide if we can get some kind of underworld film/tv shows.
     
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  15. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    Shipping? NC-17 style shipping apparently, lol.

    Yeah, I think now that TFA has made literally ALL the money, I'm betting you start seeing LF tackle some riskier film ideas. It's clear that we all want to see lots and lots of SW, so a dark and gritty (ugh, so tropey, lol) crime story set in the lower reaches of Coruscant is definitely a possibility at some point.

    Or Mando porn. Yep, totally. :p
     
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  16. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    Is there any other kind worth talking about? :D

    Truth. If they handle VIII & IX with the same level of attention and care, the episodes alone will cover the 4B$ investment and then they get to play fast & loose. Wonderful news. [face_dancing]

    I like the way your brain works.
     
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  17. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    Well there's Hutt porn but that's only for the real sickos. It's in the back of the store, no one goes there except for this one Twi'lek in a trenchcoat, and we don't talk to him really.

    OK I better stop lol. Yeah that's the beauty of Disney ownership, they're gonna expand this property into all the niches that GL wouldn't have thought of. I could totally see a SW western set on Tatooine or something, or maybe a Seven Samurai analogue with a crew of Jedi defending a town against bounty hunters. That's the great thing about SW, you have this wide open universe you can add all these genre flavors to.
     
  18. Prisic Duskleap

    Prisic Duskleap Jedi Master star 3

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    Killing off Han was cheap, lazy and predictable way to try and cause drama to the story. Not to mention there was no emotional investment as we didn't get any back story of Han and his son other than he turned to the dark side which caused Han/Leia to break up. The worst sin of all though is it cancels out a reunion of the big 3 on screen which was the major draw from the time this new trilogy was announced.

    By far was the worst part of the film for me. It felt done to serve Harrison's desire to kill the character than serve the story. It's no secret that Ford is not to fond of the character. I doubt he would be so eager to kill off Indiana Jones.
     
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  19. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    We need a better laughter emote. Cos omg.

    Exactly! So when people talk about there being SW fatigue I say psssh! There's something for everyone.
     
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  20. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    Lol glad you can appreciate my humor, I tend to get on some out-there tangents at times :p

    It's gonna be great. Theres apparently gonna be a SW movie every December till the end of time, and lots of potential tv shows, games, books, and other media all over the place. Some people say it's over saturation, but I look at it as a great big universe that you can pick and choose from according to your tastes. A Target as opposed to a mom-and-pop corner store, in a sense.
     
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  21. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    Hey, funny is funny. And lord knows this place needs it. That overpowered debate thread started off alright but now the tension is running high. I expect it'll be locked soon :(

    It's working for Marvel - having different styles of stuff is genius.

    Altho I just realized. You compared Star Wars to a department store. I just. Dude.
     
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  22. zero_point_zero

    zero_point_zero Jedi Master star 4

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    Ohhhh but porn metaphors are perfectly ok. I see how it's gonna be then :p

    Yeah the Marvel model is brilliant, just looking at their Netflix properties and where they're going with stuff like Daredevil and Jessica Jones makes me believe that SW has the same opportunities. In fact an adult-oriented SW Netflix series would be pretty damn interesting imo.
     
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  23. AmySolo

    AmySolo Jedi Knight star 4

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    Oh I never said it was bad/wrong. Just.. out there. Different. All good things I assure you.

    I would be ALL over it. I'm still depressed we haven't gotten that Sopranos style underworld of Coruscant tv show. Rumor has it they still have scripts and such, we could see it. ([face_good_luck][face_good_luck][face_good_luck][face_praying] )
     
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  24. SaintKenobi1322

    SaintKenobi1322 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    If Han had to be killed off, they did it the right way. He wasn't out-gunned or out-piloted or out-smarted. They made it very clear that he could have set the charges and slipped out the door, gotten into the Falcon and headed back to the ranch. He didn't. He made the decision to risk his life on a 1 percent chance of saving his son.

    THAT is a classy ending. Just as Obi-Wan Kenobi was never defeated, neither was Han Solo.
     
  25. Jedirush2112

    Jedirush2112 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well you got me there but the only reason every one expected it was cause Harrison Ford wanted to kill him off since Empire!