My defense of George Lucas...

I don't understand why bashers come here. They complain and complain about a movie to people who adore it. It seems pointless, don't they have anything better to do in their spare time? Don't they find that it's pointless to try to change a person's opinion when they've heard the same facts over and over again? I don't understand what they get out of it; it doesn't make them money to convert a person into not liking something. It gets kinda pathedic that they're continually working on a crusade that is pointless and doesn't make sense.

 

Pooja, TheDarkSkull, nicely said.

But, why do we even bother?

Obviously many people here just come to nag and complain and be negative regardless if it is a Star Wars forum or not.

And when I try and say they canexpress theoir opinion in a mature fashion, they do not even understand that.

It's a sad sad world.

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone into liking Lucas' prequels.



















...okay, maybe I am. Shutup.

 

I'll say that there are not only problems in Star Wars, but frankly, I have YET to see a movie that DOESN'T have problems.

Well my friend, you still have a lot of films to see...

 

Basher is such a negative term, how about calling bashers those with unreconcilable differences in opinion, j/k naturally. Spare me your diatribes about those who have different opinions other than your own. I not going to bother giving you a list of reasons why I love starwars, I"ll simply say I'm here, so I must like something in it. So some fans don't like everything in starwars, big damn deal, deal with it. Those who love everything about starwars don't have to respond to threads they find offense, stupid, baseless. etc., if you don't understand why "bashers" come here, then you probably don't understand what it means to debate either, which is what a forum is all about.

 

I think they complain cause they feel they have to convince themselves that they don't like the film. And hense why they make all these numberous ideas to try to make AOTC seem like the worse film in the world. Why do they feel the need to hate the film? It could be that they have grown up and don't want to accept that so they try this. They don't want to think that they've changed and that they can't have fun anymore. I dunno, that's just my take on it. I'm not a basher so I wouldn't know why they do this.

 

AL, name me one film with no problems. Not one bad line, not one bad acted line, nothing. Not one bad anything.

And by the way, I have seen plenty of movies, so don't go judging me because I said there is no such thing as a perfect film.

 

"I don't understand why bashers come here. They complain and complain about a movie to people who adore it. It seems pointless, don't they have anything better to do in their spare time? Don't they find that it's pointless to try to change a person's opinion when they've heard the same facts over and over again? I don't understand what they get out of it; it doesn't make them money to convert a person into not liking something. It gets kinda pathedic that they're continually working on a crusade that is pointless and doesn't make sense."

This post is well said TheDarkSkull, Just wait till Episode 3 comes out and you'll have the same people complaining, again.

They'll never change someone's opinion, especially when it's just their opinion.

 

"I had the idea that Lucas would start off with a happy galaxy, and end in turmoil and depression, and so far he is doing a great job. I mean look at the contrast of the endings of TPM and AOTC.

That is the JOY of what Lucas is doing. I watched the ending of TPM the other day, and it about brought me to tears- no joke. Everyone was happy. Now, we are seeing a war start. It's not happy anymore. Lucas is going in the serious direction.

I believe that is what was intended. Everyone was so mad that Episode I was childish"

I agree with what you have said Pooja. I wasn't around here during TPM, so I was for the most part spoiler free. I only saw the anger directed towards Lucas and TPM when I came to these message boards.

I always have felt that TPM had a more youthful tone was because Anakin is, well, a child. AOTC was more moody, because, well, Anakin is a moody teenager. As in the OT, the tone of the films reflect the current state of the Skywalker involved, Anakin or Luke.

 

Almost every regular on this forum, whether basher or gusher, signed up because they were excited about an upcoming Star Wars movie and wanted to talk about it. In other words, we've been here all along. There may be a few, but I haven't talked to anyone who just parachuted into this site for the sole purpose of trashing the PT.

 

Had Lucas not made Episode I childish, Episode II and III wouldn't seem so depressing and moody.

After Episode I we matched the characters as being happy and at peace- and that is what will make Episode III so evil in tone.

I think Lucas handled it well.

 

Agreed. Lucas was smart since he knows he writes best with darkness that he set up everything as happy as possible so that in the next 2 films he could really do his best work. And IMO AOTC was the best film in the saga yet and I'm really awaiting to see how far to the bar he takes Episode 3.

 

Because when u create something that changes your life and that of millions and of entire industries and creates a subculture is it really ONLY yours anymore? I dont know...!

But GL still has my vote anyway. (As if he needs it).

 

I mean, had Lucas made Episode I more mature, we wouldn't have really felt a decline in peace, and the atmosphere would remain fairly consistent through the prequels.

 

A number of perfect films, in no particular order:

The Godfather
The Godfather: Part
Citizen Kane
It's a Wonderful Life
Casablanca
Annie Hall
This Is Spinal Tap
Don't Look Now
Raging Bull
La Regle de Jeu
Seven Samurai
Star Wars
Vertigo
Apocalypse Now
Rear Window
Raiders of the Lost Ark
North by Northwest
Pulp Fiction
Lawrence of Arabia
The Apu Trilogy
Bicycle Thieves
The Apartment
Sunset Boulevard
Some Like It Hot
The Third
Chinatown
The Maltese Falcon
The Player
Magnolia
Singin' in the Rain
2001: A Space Odyssey
Se7en
Touch of Evil
Rashomon
Toy Story 2

 

Hmmm... funny how I've seen every film listed on your list AL, and I'm only 13.

 

Frankly, I have as little patience for someone who simply says "I love SW, I love GL, every single last frame of film is just perfect, any and all criticism is blaphemy" as I do for someone of the opposite bent.

I love SW. I like to discuss SW. What worked for me. What didn't, and why. Things I had problems with. Things that I loved. Again, I like to DISCUSS SW.

There would be point to having a discussion board if we all just came here and said "Wasn't this great?" ..."Wasn't that great?" ... "Wasn't this great too?". Just as there would be no point to a board where everyone said "AOTC stunk" ... "Didn't AOTC stink?"... "Didn't you just hate AOTC?". I realize there are some who try to pull a good many threads in that dumbed-down direction. BUT... lets not get so carried away that we say it has to be all or nothing... it IS possible to have intelligent, intense, and passionate differences of opinion...and even to have fun while doing so...*S*

Shadow

 

Hmmm... funny how I've seen every film listed on your list AL, and I'm only 13.

Well done. But tell me who would win in a fight? Spider-Man or the Power Puff Girls?

(Sorry, that was cheap)

 

Nice list, kind of funny you left out some other perfect films

Silence of the Lams
Empire Strikes Back
Fraility
Gone With the Wind
Goodfellas
Donnie Darko

Plenty of perfect films out there

 

really TheDarkSkull
then i suppose you could elaborate for us what is unusual about the opening shot of touch of evil, or what do you think the hubcap shot in chinatown means, or perhaps something about camera placement in citizen kane...

 

Neither Silence of the Lmbs, nor Gone with the Wind are perfect films. The former suffers from GCSE level psycho-babble at its core and the latter turns from a majestic Civil War story in its first half to a schamltzy old Hollywood love tale executed badly in its latter half.

I love Donnie Darko but I would hardly classify it perfect.

 

"I mean, had Lucas made Episode I more mature, we wouldn't have really felt a decline in peace, and the atmosphere would remain fairly consistent through the prequels."

Don't confuse "lighthearted" with "childish."

 

LOL AL. Anyway you also forgot to mention The French Connection, Home Alone, Dr. Strangelove, Monty Python and The Holy Grail, Goldfinger, and AI.

 

come one now AL, all love stories have female pyscho babble in them, and what's wrong with Silence of the Lambs, an excellent movie if their ever was one. Donnie Darko huh well a bit of personal bias got in the way their, dammnit I love that film, you know Richard Kelly should really have been considered for Episode III, that would have been wonderful for him to direct it, at least I think........

 

Dazed & Confused
Alice In Wonderland
The Usual Suspects
Shawshank Redemption
Field of Dreams
T2
Chasing Amy
Good Will Hunting
Fight Club