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  1. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

    Aug 13, 2001
    even though i am opposed to organized religion i still do not believe that religion is the cause of most wars. war would still exist in a religion free society. the collective thought process of a religous group is very similar to a tribal or national way of thinking. Homo Sapiens Sapiens is hardwired to fight against his enemies in the name of his tribesmates. This is because of the need to eliminate rivals for procreating and to ensure the ability of his offspring to succeed. This will continue with or without religion until the day we realize or connection with our mammalian roots. Religion may cause problems, but it is not the only reason why mankind wages war upon his brother.
  2. Jedi_Master_Anakin

    Jedi_Master_Anakin Jedi Master star 4

    May 25, 2002
    Yes, I suppose you are right. But religion is one of the biggest reasons that people want to fight one another. Becuase you know 'my god can beat up your god'
  3. sleazo

    sleazo Jedi Padawan star 4

    Aug 13, 2001
    Larkonna- My way of belief is not depressing at all. I find joy in so many different things in life. Im alive on this planet once and I will enjoy it while i am here. I still realize that life is meanignless, but that doesnt affect my happiness. I know my desires and wants and I am happy when i get them, however at the same time i realize that they really do not mean anything more than the desire of an ant to protect his queen. Everything is relative. I dont know if i am explainig this correctly, but the fact that life is meaningless does not mean that one should be unhappy. For example, right now i am listening to Prince Igor and drinking a glass of Becherovka(a fine Czech Spirit), and that to me is bliss. Despite the fact that life is meaningless, your perception determines your reality and my perception is the enjoyment of what i am doing. No need to be depressed because life is meaningless
  4. DarthYama

    DarthYama Jedi Master star 4

    May 16, 2001
    If there's no purpose in life, then why live, why are we here? I'd feel so incredibly insignificant and void. I mean why strive for anything much less excellence? Why love? Why eat? Why drive? Why think? Why want a comfortable or joyful lifestyle?

    Why do we exist? Because. That's why. I don't see why everything has a reason and purpose. We should only try the best at being who we are.
  5. Darth_SnowDog

    Darth_SnowDog Jedi Padawan star 4

    Sep 10, 2001
    Religion is not the cause... it is the instrument... the instrument of the greedy who cause wars for their own personal benefit.

    Wars don't always benefit someone... often they backfire... but the intent is still there. Religion is a tool used to divide the masses so that the greedy may conquer and rule...
  6. Chris2

    Chris2 Jedi Youngling star 4

    Oct 11, 1998
    Here's a rundown of the basic sins:

    Pride-Thinking "I'm better than you".

    Greed-Keeping too much money for yourself, and not sharing it with others.

    Idolatry-Worshipping other Gods, or putting things or people in a place of worship. Also, worshipping images of God or Christ can also be considered Idolatry.

    Envy-Wanting to have what other people have.

    Lust-Not keeping pleasures, or desires under control. This mainly can be attributed to sexual nature.

    Fornication-Sex with somebody not in a marriage agreement. Adultery is a form of this.

    Worldliness-being too conformed to the world's opinions and ways, and not those of your faith.

    Stealing-Taking other's possessions without asking or paying for them.

    Dishonor-Not respecting your parents or dignitaries. Although there can be an exception if your beliefs differ from them.

    Gluttony-Pretty much the same as lust, but more attributed to food. Being drunk can also fit under this.

    Sloth-Being lazy.
  7. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

    Apr 3, 2002
    I can think of nothing more inspiring than the immensity of the Universe, whether by accident or design.
  8. Chris2

    Chris2 Jedi Youngling star 4

    Oct 11, 1998
    Also heresy is considered a sin. Basically adding doctrines to a belief that shouldn't be there. The Gnostics, for instance, were among the early heretics. The Catholic church also attacked many 'heritics' hundreds of years ago. Today, many Catholics, Islams and Mormons are considered to have heretical beliefs by fundamentalist/protestant standards, but you probably wouldn't say that to them face-to-face.
  9. Wingzeronuke

    Wingzeronuke Jedi Youngling

    Aug 25, 2002
    Seems that Christians never stop spreading the same
    tired old myths and legends....!

    They would have us believe that there is plenty of
    'historical' evidence to prove that their Jesus Christ
    was a real person who walked the face of the Earth.

    Let's look at the facts:

    X'ians have laid claim to the mention of Jesus in
    Josephus' "The Antiquities of the Jews" ( 93 a.d.,
    XVIII 3,3 63-64), as evidence (of the extra-Biblical
    sort) for Jesus' existence. Nothing could be more
    erroneous than reliance on such discredited and
    flimsy evidence.

    In the first place, the mention of Jesus is found in
    what is known as the "Testimonium Flavianum
    Passage", a clear and obvious interpolation into
    Josephus' narrative.

    The Passage appearance, in the midst of a story of
    misfortunes during a Jewish uprising, totally breaks
    the continuity of the story....which then picks up
    with the account of how Tiberius expels the Jews
    from Rome!

    The Passage is NOT found in the earliest copies of
    "Antiquities...", and is first 'discovered' by Eusebius
    around 300 a.d.. The fact that Eusibius is considered
    by some to be "...the first thoroughly dishonest
    historian of antiquity.", with "...many falsifications,
    suppressions, and fictions which have been proved in
    his work..."(Jakob Burkhardt, Leben Konstantins,
    1860, pp.307, 335, 347.) should suggest the real
    source of the "T.F.P".

    Canon Farrar ("Life of Christ", vol. 1, pp.63) points
    out that the "Single passage in which Josephus
    alludes to (Jesus) is interpolated, if not wholly
    spurious.". The Passage has been thoroughly
    analyzed and discredited in "Chrestos" (L.
    Herrmaun, 1970, Belgium).

    The fact remains, there is NOTHING at all, in ALL
    of recorded (extra-Biblical) history, to prove that the
    Biblical Jesus Christ ever walked the face of the

    Several books that reveal and conclude as much

    "Man and His Gods", Homer W. Smith
    "The Historical Evidence For Jesus", G.A. Wells
    "The Jesus of the Early Christians" and "Did Jesus
    Exist?", G.A. Wells
    "Jesus: God, Man, or Myth", Herbert Cutner
    "The Quest for the Historical Jesus", Albert
    "The Life of Jesus, Critically Examined", David
    Friedrich Strauss
    "Jesus Outside the Gospels", R. Joseph Hoffman

    And scores of others.....

    Nope, the phony-baloney (and copy-cat, god- man)
    Jesus Christ went totally unrecognized by
    contemporary and later historians as a real and
    historical entity. In other words folks, the biblical
    Jesus Christ never existed outside the myths,
    legends, folk-lore, and hero-tales contained in the

    The second and third 'supposed' Josephus 'mention'
    of Jesus is found in "The Jewish War". It is such an
    obvious interpolation and clearly spurious late
    addition that NO honest historian would accept it as
    historic, legitimate, or truthful. It is not found in any
    of the surviving Greek manuscripts, but only in the
    (so-called) Slavonic version.

    Incidentally, the 'Wonders' attributed to Jesus Christ
    are"...simply LEGENDS which arose among early
    Christians and which were projected backwards,
    under the impact of faith, into the life of the
    historical Jesus." (Thomas Sheehan, "The First

    Or as David Friedrich Strauss concluded in 1835;
    "...if we would be candid with ourselves, that which
    was once sacred history for the Christian bliever as,
    for the enlightened portion of our contemporaries,
    only FABLE".("The Life of Jesus, Critically

    But to get back to Josephus, NONE of the early
    Christian fathers (all familiar with Josephus'
    writings) ever refer to any mention of Jesus Christ in
    Josephus' writings. These include Justin Martyr,
    Photius, Cypian, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria,
    Origen, and Chrysostom. Insofar as ANY
    recognition of Jesus Christ by a respected Jewish
    historian would have been of significant value (for
    example in Justin's dialogue with Trypho the Jew, or
    Origen's with Celsus), it is incredible and beyond
    belief that such knowledge and evidence for the
    historicity of
  10. Chris2

    Chris2 Jedi Youngling star 4

    Oct 11, 1998
    Funny how you admonish others...
  11. saerah

    saerah Jedi Grand Master star 7

    May 13, 1999
    Personally, I cannot believe in the Christian definition of God. I don't see God solely as a Father, and I don't see any creative force having human characteristics such as anger and jealousy. I can understand why ancient civilizations, some of them, could see their one god as a man, because their civilizations were male-dominated and women were not seen as equal.

  12. ferelwookie

    ferelwookie Jedi Padawan star 4

    Oct 4, 2001
    Wingzero...What do you think about the Koran describing Jesus Christ as a real living person who is one of the prophets? That would be two separate sources acknowledging that this man did exist.

  13. Ramius

    Ramius Jedi Youngling star 3

    Jun 8, 2002
    So Wingzero, would you like to show some historical evidence proving that Mohamed was a real person?
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