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he had an mvp-level year in 08-09, but they gave the award to the right player as lebron had a historically great season and carried a pretty weak supporting cast to 66 wins. most other years if wade puts up those same numbers he probably wins it.

 

He might have deserved it in 09-10 though or 10-11.

 

hard to give him the mvp when he was the second best player on his own team.

 

Yeah. I mean, Wade's PER in 09-10 was almost two full points higher than any player not on his own team. But still three points lower than a teammate. In 10-11, he was third in the league, but, again, second on his own team.

PER isn't everything, but it tells a really good story when it comes to the MVP. There should be a damn good reason for the MVP to not be at or near the top of PER.

 

Speaking of PER (and I agree it's not everything) in the top 50 NBA regular season PER totals, Jordan has 7 (4 in the top 10). Lebron has 6. Shaq has 8 in total, 6 of which came playing for the Lakers.

Kobe has 0.

Just saying.

 

PER is meaningless. Wade was arguably the best player on the Heat in 10-11 because he had a better field goal and free throw percentage than LeBron. And, even though this doesn't have to do with MVP, he didn't completely choke in the finals like James.

 

wade's field goal percentage was clearly helped by no longer being the focus of opposing defenses and playing with one of the best passers in the league. that said, your post is factually incorrect as lebron was better in both of those categories that season (though their free throw percentages were nearly identical). in the finals the mavs geared their entire gameplan toward taking lebron out of the game. they made wade beat them, because as great as he is he is the lesser player.

 

No, the Mavs had Jason Kidd and Shawn Marion split LeBron and Wade duties. They treated them as equals in the Finals.

 

lol this guy is a hot take machine.

PER IS USELESS BUT FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE INDEPENDENT OF EVERYTHING ELSE IS WHAT MATTERS

 

you should start watching around the 3:30 mark of this video, where mark cuban explains very specifically that the mavs' gameplan was to get the ball of out of lebron's hands and goes into great detail about how they did it.

 

During the actual game they split attention on the two superstars.

 

PRENNTACULAR for Wade vs. LeChoke, FG matters because neither of them took very many threes. Kobe's field goal is obviously lower than MJ's because he shot a lot of threes (which is a good thing). If Mike took as many threes as Bryant his percentage would be similar for Field Goal.

 

you saw the post where i told you that lebron had a higher fg% that year than wade, right? i don't see why you're doubling down on your point, when it's not even correct. and mark cuban is talking about what happened during the "actual games". i hope you'll understand if i give him a little more credit on this topic than mace windu is awesome.

why is it a good thing to shoot a lot of threes if you don't shoot them at a high rate?

 

Because he makes the clutch threes. And, players have to shoot a lot of threes in the modern era so Jordan probably would today.

 

in your last post you said that wade and lebron didn't take a lot of threes. what era do they play in?

 

That's why Kobe is better... because he adapts to the game while LeBron and Wade played older style. Now, LeBron takes a lot of threes though, just not back then. Wade's lack of three-point shooting has been made up for (kind of) but all the great perimeter players today shoot them.

 

That's because he mostly just shot layups and dunks.

 

Personally I love this guy, this place was becoming a GSW fan thread before he showed up.

 

Me?

 

Would Kevin Love stop injuring his shoulder if he did more dunks and layups instead of shooting threes?

 

How does that have anything to do with D-Wade?

 

Well, this is the NBA thread, not the D-Wade thread. And Kevin Love just injured his shoulder. Again. In a game happening right now.