Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

Many thanks!

 

Can someone explain T'Pol's weird Saxophone dreams? I think they took place in San Francisco but I never understood the point.

 

I haven't seen that episode in many years...

but, the point is, the music elicited an emotional response in her. Obviously that has significance to a Vulcan.

This is in the episode where she meets those "Vulcans without logic", the Vulcans who let themselves experience emotion, and she dabbles in that a bit. She has a dream where she relives that moment on Earth with the jazz music, and the dream is full of emotion, psychology and symbolic meaning, naturally.

The episode is about the Vulcan battle between logic and emotion.

 

Y'know what random Enterprise episode I want to watch, possibly tonight? It's from Season 3 but it's a Western one. North Star. It's fairly disconnected from the Xindi arc but I dig Western Star Trek episodes, kind of breaks off one of Star Trek's component parts (The Western) and just rolls with it. Maybe pair it up with TOS Spectre of the Gun and TNG's Fistful of Datas. Did DS9 and Voyager ever have Western episodes?

 

Is it true that every big television show has to have a western episode at some point? And a musical episode?

I'll be honest, I really enjoyed the Xindi arc. Some of the best ST, I've seen.

 

I think the closest we ever got to that O'Brian's model of the Alamo.

 

Well, one of the ways Gene Roddenberry pitched TOS was as "'Wagon Train' to the Stars".

 

I've seen some of Voyager before but I was round a friends and we put on a random episode, it was the Civil War episode.

I'm not sure what was going on.

I haven't seen it all nor half, I've barely scratched the surface but the Q seem like a terrible creation. They are literally deus ex machines.

Was it that episode or something because it didn't really make sense?
How was I meant to be invested in Q/ the Q continuum. Why can't a/ the original Q (John de Lancie) just plug the othera Q's out of existence and then himself?

It was just rife with problems.

 

I saw the new Trek film tonight. People in the cinema seemed to love it. Ms V-2 loved it. I was mostly aghast, though a few jokes got me, and the odd bit of nostalgia got me. The cast have really grown into their roles, most of the effect work was good, but the writing and the plot just left me feeling cheated.

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Nearly every line was a callback or a feed for a callback, which was very frustrating. It works in standup comedy and comedy films, but it gets very tiring when the formula is so blatant - and when it's not being used just for laughs. So much plot convenience, too. My head was in my hands when the ****ing motorbike turned up. Captain Krull's memory loss wasn't explained enough for my liking - why did he forget where he put his starship? Or he knew where it was but one day it appeared to vanish (shortly after the white lady escaped) so why didn't he have someone go and check? Wouldn't having an actual Federation starship make his job much easier? Fly the damn thing into the base as a returning hero and set off your bomb from there. Why did the nanomite bomb have to be set off in such a specific location inside the base? Why not just set it off as soon as they got inside the station's atmosphere?

The end credits were literally awesome though.

 

re. Krall's master plan

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The Franklin was smashed and broken. It took Our Heroes to get it to work again. Which leads to my favourite line of the movie: "You take my house and you make it fly!" which oddly I think it pretty thematic of the movie what with the characters / family in their flying house / Enterprise and all. And she delivers the line perfectly. Also I don't think Edison/Krall particularly wanted to go back there, old ghosts and all. And he had his badass drone squad anyway.

As for WHERE he wanted to detonate it, from a spoiler podcast apparently it had to get sucked up into the air / gravity thingie to spread across the whole base, which leads to the whacked out gravity fight. I'd wager if he just, y'know, set it off in a corner Yorktown would be like "Holy Cats! Someone turn on the shields / close the door or whatever. Phew. That was close. Now where is that jerk.... he's Edison? You gotta be kidding me!"

 

Happy Birthday to...


...and lest we forget...

 

And on this date in 1977:

 

T'Pring would make a particularly interesting antagonist.

 

Riker is so awesome in Insurrection, though First Contact is probably the best TNG film.

 

That is good to know!

 

That's my favorite of the new movie designs. I like how it adds some balance to the classic but ugly tech manual single nacelle designs with that upper section. But yeah, don't like the dish. I'm not a fan of glowy blue accents on ships in general.

 

I like Generations more, as First Contact was a big step in destroying the Borg. It introduced the Borg Queen and the Zombie Borg Concept.

By the way, i wonder how it could be that there were tribunals like the one in 2079, if the vulcans were on earth for about 16 years?

 

I honestly like all of the TOS and TNG films for their own merit, though TMP and TFF are definitely the weakest. The unofficial trilogy of TWoK, TSfS, and TVH is an excellent arc. TUC is also excellent. Generations is solid, especially in its use of Guinan. First Contact is excellent, specifically because of the Borg Queen and its sequel nature to The Best of Both Worlds. Insurrection is more of a TNG two part episode than the other TNG films. Nemesis is very reminiscent of TWoK, with plenty of potential to follow up on that was never really realized.

 

I refuse to buy into the idea that TMP is among the weakest films. It's still the only pure science fiction film Trek has made to date. With more time, better writers, and more organization, it could have been a great film.