Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

Doesn't seem like it.

It doesn't quite matter, but it helps to have a general idea of "The Pegasus" before watching "These Are The Voyages...". The problem is there's a bit of a disconnect because you can clearly see that Riker and Troi are older than they were in the original episode. Not to mention there doesn't seem to be much time for Riker to spend in the holodeck.

 

Don't even watch TATV. End the series with the previous episode. Its better that way.

 

... or Nemesis bombed because it sucked hard core and was a poor retread of trying to get The Wrath of Khan-lite in TNG.

 

I wouldn't say it sucked hardcore. It has flaws to be sure, but there's some good stuff about it.

 

One of the issues that bugged me about Nemesis re Shinzon:

He looks like he has to be in the late 20s/early 30s at most. If so, that would place him being cloned around the late 2340s/early 2350s - at least a decade before the Romulans reestablished contact with the UFP in "The Neutral Zone." (In fact, Michael Jan Friedman's post-NEM novel "Death in Winter" establishes that the cells from Picard used to create Shinzon were harvested at Beverly's wedding to Jack Crusher in 2348.) What I find hard to believe is the implication this gives that Romulan operatives were working within the Federation during the 53 year silence after the Tomed Incident - WITHOUT anyone in the Federation being aware of it.

 

Well, throughout TNG some writers seemed to act like the Tomed incident never happened or it was retconned somehow (Khitomer massacre and that little incident with the Enterprise-C, anyone?), so it's not that unusual.

 

Well, the Federation didn't arrive on the scene at Khitomer until after it was over, IIRC. Narendra III ... yeah, a little more problematic.

 

Whether or not it would have bombed regardless is up for debate, but yeah virtually putting it up against TTT didn't help (and I remember a lot of teeth gnashing and cursing at Paraborg at that time when the release date was announced and everybody realized that Paraborg pretty much killed the movie franchise by picking that date).

 

Wasn't Shinzon "designed" to age quickly though, so that he could catch up to Picard's age and replace him according to the original Romulan plan? And then Shinzon explains once he was dumped in the mines (where he was shown as a boy), that he "didn't see the sun or the stars again for nearly ten years." I think though he may look to be late 20's/early 30's, the actual time that may have passed since he was created may have only been 13 or 14 years at most. It's just my guess though. I agree that the Federation would have known somehow about Romulan operatives. If nothing else, Section 31 would have been all over it.

 

True, but my thinking for Shinzon being cloned late 2340s/early 2350s comes from this:

Though it's never explicitly stated how old Picard is throughout the series or the films, most sources outside the show/films where his age IS brought up pegs his birth year as 2305, which makes him 59 when TNG opens in 2364 and 74 in Nemesis 15 years later.

Crusher tells Picard, "He (Shinzon) was engineered to skip 30 years of his life." From the other dialogue running through Nemesis, it sounds like Shinzon was supposed to have normal human growth for some years and then the aging sequence was supposed to trigger, but didn't.

Shinzon likely would have been released from the mines when the Romulans entered the Dominion War in 2374, since he served in that conflict. As to how old he was when he entered the mines - in the flashback scenes he looks like he could be anywhere from 9 to 12 years old.

Just my guess, though. Shinzon could have had accelerated aging from the start, but somehow I don't think so - I think he was supposed to grow normally for a period of years and then the aging trigger would kick in.

 

Don't think too much about it because the writer clearly did not.

 

Not to mention the Scimitar has a ton of disrupters banks, photon torpedo bays, able to fire while cloaked, multiple shield generators, oh, and a biogenic weapon. Basically the most powerful ship ever built. Good luck Enterprise.

 

What about this:

 

Good points SW, I had forgotten that Shinzon fought in the Dominion War.

On the Scimitar, I've always wondered what the Romulans who conspired with Shinzon were thinking. I mean, what else did they think he was going to do with a biogenic weapon that could wipe out the population of a whole planet? If he was willing to use it on Earth, he would certainly be willing to use it on Romulus as well, especially considering how much he hated the Romulans. Yet it isn't until Donatra says something that they stop to think, "oh yeah we better do something to stop this guy...but darn it if only we hadn't helped him seize power and build the most incredibly remarkably powerful ship ever!"

 

Lol thats just silly JJ. Recycling tropes used in previous Treks.

 

Not to mention that it had the advantage of coming from 129 years in the future, which made it look better than it's opponents from the past.

 

Other than the wedding and Picard totally carrying through on his previously hinted "no chicken policy" -- name one?

 

Jerry Goldsmith.

 

Ron Perlman.

 

Yep, that's pretty much accurate with my feelings, though the boobs and zits of "Insurrection" aren't that big an issue. Especially with the former and how often Data had a habit of saying inappropriate things while trying to be more human.

 

I thought the final showdown between Picard and Shinzon was much too anti-climactic.

Shinzon: Picard, I'm going to wave my knife at you a bunch of-Hey what are you doing with that pole? Why are you slowly walking up to me wi-
(Gets impaled)
Picard: Oops

 

One of the fundamental laws of the universe is that it's utterly impossible for something with a Jerry Goldsmith score to be a total loss. It may not be perfect, but it cannot be useless.

 

Yes the music starting when the Enterprise enters the nebula to the end of the movie was damn near perfect. The escape from the Scimitar was great as ell, aw who am I kidding, the entire soundtrack was awesome.