Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, and comments regarding Star Trek (General Thread)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Guy, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Smackhead Ent-D command crew would have been amazing. I think the closest we get in Trek is when Bones injects himself (accidentally, really!) with some wonky space-meds because of a storm above the Forever Planet in "City of the Edge of Forever" then proceeds to go completely, utterly batty and destroy the timeline.

    Don't do drugs, kids! You'll make Hitler win World War II!
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  2. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    The drug metaphor came out strongly, but I think the topical means (the video game) at the time doesn't hold up well. It's not too far off from basing a concept on the outdated idea that D&D is satanic and increases your children's chances of suicide if they play it. It may have made more sense at the time, but now people have a greater understanding on a subject and are far more rationale about it.
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  3. Sarge Chosen One

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    The First Duty would go on my ought-to-watch list because it's the only Wes episode I like, and more importantly, it leads into Lower Decks. I [face_love] Sito Jaxa.

    I've read that the DS9 writers thought about bringing her back, and while I'd love to see her again, that would ruin Lower Decks.
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  4. Mr. K Moderator Emeritus

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    Bajoran girls are HOT.
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  5. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Random youtube surfing led to an Enterprise-A video search that came back around to this awesome thing from a couple years ago, a 6 ft custom model of the Enterprise-A- the detail is insane.

    Construction pics:


    More finished shots/video:


    One of those and one of the E and I'd be good. [face_love]
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  6. Mr. K Moderator Emeritus

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    IMO, the Kirk-era movie version (Ent-A) is the most amazing design. I dig the Ent-E, but the old-school movie version is just beautiful.

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  7. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    It's why I said one if those AND one of the E, but I'd settle for just the A. I agree- it's an incredible design. :)

    The E has a great dagger feel that I love, so it sometimes rivals the A as my favorite, but the plausibility the A feels like usually wins out.

    The D has nice lines and evokes a different, organic feel from all the others. Meanwhile the C is still trying to shake off the ugly stick from the Excelsior class ;).
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    All that's missing is the magnificent Jerry Goldsmith score for the scene.
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  9. Kenneth Morgan Chosen One

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    On the other hand, Bones has no problem when, in "Wolf in the Fold", he shoots up the whole crew with some stuff that makes them seriously high. And, what's especially funny is that the NBC censors allowed this, but spiked a scene in an early script where Kirk, McCoy and Scotty are drinking some weird alien cocktails with a mood-altering affect.
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  10. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    I like the design of the Enterprise-B even though it's basically a cameo in Generations.
  11. Sarge Chosen One

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    Maybe it's because I was a Trekkie when the only Enterprise didn't have any bloody ABC or D and there weren't even any movies, but I still like the old school Constitution class the best. The model they built for Trials and Tribble-ations almost moved me to tears. That's what a starship is supposed to look like.
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  12. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Even as a kid, it was hard for me to look back at the TOS Enterprise design fondly (not the FX quality, mind you, the actual design). It's a little too frail-looking with the thin stick-like nacelle struts, extended dish and such. And the pinwheel nacelle caps never thrilled me much.I feel like I could break it easily.

    The TOS Enterprise was a reflection on 50's & 60's sci-fi: it's basically a flying saucer (with a smoother surface all around to convey that lineage, while the nacelle caps also evoke old UFO/flying saucer stuff)), two rockets and a radar dish stuck onto an original hull.

    That said, it takes those primitive concepts and created something iconic.I just think it feels like it's missing something. The Refit addressed all of my concerns (sturdier/sexier nacelle struts, enclosed/reenforced dish, radiator nacelles reflecting more recent space program technology, less smooth surface detailing, modified curves/lines of the saucer section make it feel less flying saucer-like and more submersible-like while maintaining the same basic shape, etc).

    However, IMO (I know others will disagree) one of the more impressive things Enterprise managed to achieve with it's Mirror Universe 2-parter was that, when pitting a TOS Constitution-class against ENT-era ships, a TOS Constitution actually felt big, advanced and powerful for the first time in a way TOS never managed to achieve (now, admittedly, that's partly a result of the FX and filming techniques of the era- though even the TOS Remastered effects didn't really change anything in that regard as it comes down to more how the ship was used in the series versus the subsequent ones).

    It's grown on me a tad over the years to where I can appreciate it more, but I can't fall in love with it.

    As for the Enterprise-B... while it does have some slight improvements in the secondary hull area over the original Excelsior-class, I kinda just always felt it was kinda ugly. The flat, right angle nacelle struts in particular with the overall impression that it was a bloated version of the Enterprise that has been eating too much while getting too little exercise.

    When i look at it, I kinda see this:

    Enterprise A
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    Excelsior:
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    Enterprise-A:
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    Excelsior:
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    Enterprise-A:
    [IMG]

    Excelsior:
    [IMG]

    ;)

    I kid- it's not that bad, but it depends on the camera angle (since the camera can add 10 tons...). I do like the Exclesior-class's saucer when viewed from the angle in that pic. But the topside ain't so pretty.
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  13. Mr. K Moderator Emeritus

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    ^^YES...to the last two posts. I wasn't a very big fan of ST:ENT, but the two-part mirror universe episode was really good. I admit to getting a Trekgasm when Archer & his away team board the old-school Defiant and start to blow away Tholians. "Does this thing have aft torpedoes?" "Yes, sir!"
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  14. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Yeah, one of the (many) things I love about "In a Mirror Darkly" is that the TOS Constitution class basically comes across as The Death Star of the Mirror-verse. As for the continuity tweak of 100 years later they're still running around with Constitution in "Mirror, Mirror" in TOS, hey, the Terran Empire is not full of limp-wristed innovators, they conquer and take! And it worked for them. (And, eventually, according to DS9, they done got whupped by the Klingons and the Cardassians. That's what you get for not changing your designs for a century.)
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    I would assume that it took them some time to be able to replicate some of the technology- there's bound to be components they simply could not replicate and replace in that era.

    Add to that that one would assume the Empress would not be in a rush to diminish her tactical advantage and keeping her ship the lone Constitution to prevent rivals from forming. She'd make sure the Defiant got some mileage on her before making any replacements or sister ships.
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  16. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Just curious, is there a starship titled the Navigator? I don't remember.
  17. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Nothing pops up on a search on Memory Alpha, or in it's list of Federation ships.
  18. Mr. K Moderator Emeritus

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  19. Chancellor_Ewok Force Ghost

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  21. I Are The Internets Chosen One

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    Copyright infringement!
  22. Dark Lord Of The Empire Jedi Grand Master

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    I agree. This was my favorite one right here:
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  23. Sarge Chosen One

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    Everybody's favorite Dabo girl. [face_hypnotized]
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  24. dp4m Chosen One

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    Screw you, hippie. Everyone's favorite power behind the Grand Nagus!
  25. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    If you want a fun read - grab Star Trek: Mirror Universe: Sorrows of Empire - it's Spock as the ultimate bad arse bastard... that you just can't quite help backing.
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