Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Guy, Jun 10, 2009.
This reminds me that I need to watch DS9.
Yes you do!
Yes you need Captain Sisko Badass in your life,
So badass in fact, that he doesn't care if you're an omnipotent being or not, he'll still ***k you up!!!
Yes he will, because he's not Picard.
"You hit me! Picard never hit me!"
I never liked that ep. It was one of the dumb ones of the early seasons.
Plus, Sisko acted in self-defense (well, as much as he can defend himself against a near-omnipotent being). Picard absolutely would have hit Q if Q had taken a swing at him.
Oh stop it, Q, you're crazy!
That episode, as with any of the weaker Q episodes, is almost single-handedly saved by John DeLance's herculean efforts to drag the damn thing across the finish line. Almost. But, hey, more Q!
Which episode of TNG was that?
That was "Deep Space Nine" where that happened. Unless you refer to the ones with Picard and Q.
The pics are Tapestry, Q-Who & drawing a blank on the last. Tapestry again? Or the one where Q finds a young female Q hanging out on the Enterprise?
"True Q" (the one with the female Q) or "All Good Things..." I really don't remember either.
All wrong lol
hal, you are not a merry man...
Orci shouldn't even be near Star Trek.
Proposition: "The Doomsday Machine" is the greatest single sci fi television episode of all time.
"We'd better split up. We can do more damage that way."
Have you read Vendetta?
Well, there goes any hope of it being a departure from the first two. If anything, it's going to be worse.
So, had an interesting pseudo-theory- could the AU's of the JJverse, Yesterday's Enterprise and All Good Things be linked?
Acknowledging that the primary factors in their individual creations were presented as Nero, the absence of the Enterprise-C and Q/anti-time anomaly, there seems to be a potential commonality and through-thread that might allow them to be grouped as such.
I also preface this as it's more for the purpose of mental grouping/conceptualization (of a more militant Starfleet timeline) than a solidly observational theory to be applied to the canon that I'm outright advocating be the case. Still, my thoughts:
-The JJverse appears to be building towards a conflict with the Klingons. This could all change with whatever they ultimately decide to do with Star Trek 13, but it fits as a starting point so far: The Narada wiped out a Klingon fleet. Khan's (a "human") actions resulted in a minor Starfleet incursion into their territories/their world that killed several Klingons and a couple ships. A starfleet Admiral intentionally tried to instigate open conflict with them (whether they know it or not) in a manner that openly states they're already on the brink of open conflict, shy an instigating event.
-So, we have a Klingon Empire that is more agitated militarily much earlier in the timeline (8 years earlier than the Organian crisis in TOS) and potentially has hostility towards the Romulans if they associate Nero's attack with them (potentially killing off whatever short-lived alliance they had in TOS where they shared D-7 cruisers and cloaking technology and making them blood enemies much earlier in the timeline).
-Flash forward to Yesterday' Enterprise. An era with the Federation and Klingons at war with each other- the lack of an Enterprise-C intervention certainly caused this timeline, but having increased Klingon/Federation troubles earlier, one can really see how such a huge war could emerge.
-With a different purpose of mission, likely no Farpoint or Q encounter happened here- thus no later Q Who and no early introduction to the Borg, so they won't interrupt things. Presumably no DS9/warmhole/Dominion issue later on either (or, if so, delayed to beyond the scope of this theory's chronology).
-The Enterprise-C incident occurs, but does not end the timeline. Tasha still goes though (so she's still gone in the future timeline and Sela still happens in the Prime reality).
-Though YE suggests the Federation was 6 months away from surrender, they still have plot armor and the Federation Corps of Engineers, so they manage to hold their own or repel the Klingons to a cease fire (or maybe the Organians finally intervene again, doesn't matter).
-Even as they begin to return to more scientific/exploration endeavors, Starfleet still builds up their tech militarily following the losses from the war (much like how the prime reality did so after the Borg/Wolf 359 slaughter with the Defiant, Sovereign, Akira, Prometheus and other warship-leaning craft). This includes, ultimately, upgrading existing ships (as the Federation was scrapping together even older ships during the war they were so desperate, it takes awhile for them to rebuild their numbers so they need to make due with what they have) and gives us the Galaxy-X Enterprise-D seen in All Good Things.
-In the All Good Things reality, the Klingons have taken over the Romulan Star Empire. I don't believe they said when this occurred, but it could have been a contributing factor to the hypothetical reason why the Federation didn't lose the war- and certainly if the bad blood with the Romulans has been going back almost a decade further than it would have been otherwise, this aggressive action seems more likely (though the loss of Romulus would obviously be a major factor too, depending on the timing).
-Additionally, the Federation and Klingons are still hostile to one another, even if they aren't in open war anymore.
-Then Picard's actions collapse this anti-time reality containing the JJverse, YE & AGT back down into the Prime reality, giving us a happy ending!
The only potential flaws are details I don't recall off the top of my head- any mentions of Vulcan (though they could be written off as New Vulcan), any AGT references to events from non-YE TNG that couldn't have occurred in the YE timeline either due to the natire of events or what characters are and are not present, etc.