Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

True Sith. I'd Season 3 and 4 is what Enterprise should have been if not from the beginning than certainly from season 2 onward. They failed to apply the lessons of DS9. which can be summed up in one word: differentiation.

 

The Xindi storyline was a disaster IMO, so I didn't really like Season 3. It became even more obvious the writers had no clue what they wanted the show to be at that point.

 

I liked the Xindi but it would have made more sense if this arc would have been about the romulan war and not an attack on earth by a group of species one has never heard of before.

 

The Romulan War would've been awesome to see.

 

They were clearly building toward the Romulan War when Enterprise was cancelled.

 

I think they said Season 5 would've definitely been about it....along with the revelation T'Pol was actually half-Romulan.

 

I'm of the opinion that Enterprise gets better as it goes on so S1 and S2 are the weakest (but there are still a ton of eps in S1/2 that I Think are awesome). I am, however, calling "Broken Bow" is best Trek pilot episode since TOS, though.

 

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I agree, though that's not saying much considering how bad the others were.

 

I think "Emissary" is the best pilot, although yes, the bar isn't that high.

 

I've seen Emmisary more than a few times and it has a decent sense of discovery to it and the opening / callbacks to Wolf 359 really gives it a sense of weight (and great props to Patrick Stewart for when Picard realizes that Sisko fought Locutus). I actually end up liking Encounter at Farpoint but a whole lotttttt of that is simply due to All Good Things... I never quite know which one to call the TOS pilot so I sort of default to Where No Man Has Gone Before, which is probably my favourite if you were to compare the "3" TOS pilots - The Cage (cuz was first pilot but I always view it as an oddity since it was reused as a two-parter later one), The Man Trap (first one to air but that's more 60s NBC bigwigs making that the pilot) & Where No Man Has Gone Before (First one with Kirk chronologically speaking and first one filmed with Kirk so, yeah, that's the pilot). Broken Bow I think it just all kinds of awesome, the hook of first contact with the Klingons is a pretty great one, I think the Suliban come across as genuinely mysterious (as opposed to kind of whiny they eventually became), the Earth Starfleet is a cool concept and T'Pol is a unique X-factor in the crew (she softened considerably as the series went on but I actually kind of like how borderline antagonistic she is as the start) and it has some great lines in it. ("He says his wife has grown ugly? ... I am sorry, sir, I am trying my best!"). Caretaker I have not seen in a realllll long time, frankly I barely remember why Janeway strands them there and why she had to blow up the Caretaker's array, but I do think it the concept / conundrum in the episode, save a species or be stranded, is a nifty one.

But anyway, this is kind of moot because the pilot for Star Trek: Discovery is going to be all kinds of awesome, amIrite folks?

 

It is interesting to think about how society in the Federation would even function. I mean moving beyond using money is cool and all, but how the heck would anything get done? Someone has to do the lesser jobs, even in the ST universe.

 

Also, because of Deep Space Nine starting the long-narrative form of Star Trek, it allowed them to have the amazing call-back in The Way of the Warrior later on. Kind of functions as a ridiculous brick joke.

 

Call back to what? I don't recall, except maybe thematically Worf's arc mirrored Sisko's.

 

The upgrades for what the Klingons scan the station with mirror almost exactly what Kira bluffs the Cardassians with in "Emissary," IIRC -- so they actually have them this time...

 

From "Way of the Warrior":

Benjamin Sisko: We've had a year to prepare this station for a Dominion attack, and we're more than ready.
Gowron: (laughs) You're like a toothless old grishna cat, trying to frighten us with your roar!
Benjamin Sisko: I assure you, this old cat may not be as toothless as you think. Right now I've got five thousand photon torpedoes armed and ready to launch. If you don't believe me, feel free to scan the station.
[Martok and Gowron look across the bridge to their sensor officer, who nods.]

 

DEEP SPACE: "Emissary" REV. FINAL 08/25/92 - ACT EIGHT 116.

CARDASSIAN OFFICER #3
According to our scans, an estimated 5000 photons... integrated phaser banks on all levels...

 

I think we can all generally agree in a Captain's Brawl, Sisko and Kirk would be the last two standing. (I think Archer would give some a run moreso than expected but he'd go down before the final two eventually). So who wins the final Sisko V Kirk, Dawn of Justice scrap? Kirk did do pretty well against a blood-fevered Vulcan and a Gorn, mind you.

 

On this date in 1967...

 

Yep.

 

The Sisko did punch Q in the face, that is probably one of the reasons it would get him to the final round. But Kirk has that crazy roundhouse jumping kick / two-fisted overhand slam punch thing going on.