Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

Lest we forget...

 

Drunk Kirk? Oh, you just accurately described the last two Trek films.

 

Yeah, I've noticed that. I've also noticed that there's an early episode where Tom refers to "the Voyager" and it sounds wrong.

 

It could have been worse. They could have substituted Kirk for Troi and called it, "Women Drivers".

 

*double facepalm, groan turns into whine*

 

Yeah, that was the part I didn't like about Generations, because I knew it'd would inspire all kinds of the stupid 'woman driver' jokes that it has since.

 

Just the one?

 

Some of the plank/Data emotion chip gags fell flat, but overall, I've enjoyed Generations each time I've viewed it.

 

I liked how Data sings while searching for lifeforms; Lursa and B'tor's comments about human women; and their comment about "he must be the only engineer who doesn't go to engineering."

 

Generations was a fine action/adventure. I do enjoy it and actually enjoy Picard and Kirk's interactions, plus even some of Data's further discovery of his humanity. It's just the glaring plot holes that kind of hold it back - the Nexus can take you ANYWHERE and ANYTIME. There's a five minute resolution right there.

But that destruction of the USS Enterprise? Possibly the best use of models and miniatures in the history of cinema. Yep, even rivalling Star Wars.

 

I was getting awfully tired of the Klingon Bird of Prey model by the time they made Generations. Let's look at what that model did in the Trek films:

III: attacked the Enterprise
IV: filled in for the Enterprise
V: attacked the Enterprise
VI: attacked the Enterprise
VII: attacked the Enterprise

Seriously, that was getting tiresome. Were the writers that unimaginative? Or was the budget for models and VFX that limited? I was happy to see a new Klingon design in VI, but then that ship wasn't the one that got the big battle.

 

Funny, you just described my experience of Star Trek: Voyager from Season 5 and onwards despite there being no crash sequence.

 

I admit my memory of the series trajectory is hazy, but what exactly killed Voyager from season 5 onward? The first 2 or 3 seasons weren't good. "Scorpion" was a good "soft reboot" in the vein of "Way of the Warrior" in DS9 and Seven was an interesting character, but I don't remember it really sticking in part because they made the Borg weaker as time went on ("Unimatrix Zero"). Plus DS9 was the better show to begin with.

 

lol, what? If you mean "It was fun in 'Parallels' and should have stayed there" then sure...

 

I'd like to believe that they gave dating a go for a little bit, and then right before Generations, they decided they were better off friends and parted on good terms. Troi fell back in love with Riker and Worf met Jadzia.


You know, I would have loved for Troi to have put in a guest appearance on an episode of DS9 (before Farrell left), if only to see Worf squirm at seeing his wife and his ex talking about him and (possibly) comparing notes.

 

I like that idea. I've always said it would have been interesting if Ezri had been a man. It would have created an interesting dynamic with Work and and they could have slid an LGBT character into Trek by the backdoor.

 

At the very least, they had several seasons of close interaction and deep friendship before trying romance, so it didn't seem forced or at least not as forced/sudden and Chakotay/Seven.

As for Riker/Troi... What can I say? Imzadi was one of my first 'ships and it still ranks high up there with me today.

 

It's too bad Riker used to pick her up and put her down like she was a sex toy. Second Chances is especially annoying, for many reasons, including this one.

I've grown to hate Riker. Over the past couple years I've watched all the shows except TNG (my favorite), because I've seen all the episodes multiple times (some probably 10+ times) and there's just not much for me to gain from going through it again, but the more I look back on it, the more I realize what a smug, arrogant jerk Riker was. I was never high on him to begin with, and never knew why until I got older and was able to see through his alleged "charm" and see his behavior and personality for how crappy it really is.

Agreed, I never thought it should have been taken even semi-seriously. The reason why it works as shock value in Parallels is indeed because it is so unexpected; Worf himself is freaked out by it. It's not like he totally goes for it (Jackpot!? Nope). The way it ends, with Worf offering to tell Troi about it, was very intriguing, but of course since it's TNG, it couldn't go anywhere. Just like Crusher/Picard after Attached.

But, really, how would Worf/Troi work? She's entirely about emotions, and he's definitely not. No, he doesn't secretly want to be vulnerable and talk about his feelings, he'd much rather crush skulls. Sure, you could play the warrior/poet, beauty/beast, opposites attract angle, but it doesn't come close to working here. It doesn't even make sense for them to be interested in each other. I just don't see anything there.

I've heard the whole thing came about because Dorn and Sirtis were best pals on set.


And of course Chakotay and Seven was incredibly awkward, unjustified and thrown in at the last second. I find it to be an embarrassment more than anything.