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Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Guy, Jun 10, 2009.

  1. zacparis

    zacparis VIP star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/nx-refit-plans/

    Pretty cool blog in general.

    Another view: http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/nx-01-refit-diagram/

    There's a few posts about it there.
     
  2. Jedi-Anakin-Solo

    Jedi-Anakin-Solo Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, Drex had mentioned it before he did the renders for it. I wish they had been able to add it on the Enterprise for These Are The Voyages.

    The NX's secondary hull is a perfect add-on. Notice the hull is a lighter color, too. Even more than Colubia was.

    I've seen aftermarket resin add-on's for the few NX-01 model kits that came out, as well.
     
  3. jp-30

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    [image=http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-after-work-attire.jpg]
     
  4. duende

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  5. Darth Guy

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    Okay, that's just awesome.
     
  6. zacparis

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    Gotta love those Trek youtube mashups.
     
  7. halibut

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  8. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf9oD_xl8mI

    heh heh
     
  9. Jedi-Anakin-Solo

    Jedi-Anakin-Solo Force Ghost star 6

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    [face_laugh]

    "The Federation is gone! The Borg are everywhere!"

    "Yes, this is all very interesting, Number One." *Toot toot*
     
  10. duende

    duende Jedi Grand Master star 5

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  11. zacparis

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    http://io9.com/5822410/watch-avery-brooks-tell-william-shatner-why-had-to-be-the-captain-on-deep-space-9

    I gotta see that doc. :(
     
  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Added to my tivo already :D
     
  13. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Epix is not offered on U-Verse. :(
     
  14. wannasee

    wannasee Jedi Master star 4

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    Kes has bad posture.
     
  15. Jedi-Anakin-Solo

    Jedi-Anakin-Solo Force Ghost star 6

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    I too have U-verese, so I signed up for a two-week trial on their website. Seems they have a lot on demand there, and it looks like The Captains will be available there.

    I've been looking forward to it for a while. I remember there was a publicity photo of Shatner and Chris Pine arm wrestling.
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    [image=http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/2/23/Caylem.jpg]
    VOY 212: Resistance
    -Premise: In order to free her imprisoned crew members, Janeway accepts the help of a delusional resistance fighter.

    -T2Q Comments: It's a curious opening sequence- it's played like it's the end (or, at least, middle) of a big story or movie...it does add some punch, though the tension is kinda lost since the problem is essentially resolved 2 minutes after the audience first experiences it, so the desperate situation never feels that desparate to us (but the characters do convey this at least). Still I think I would have liked to see this concept expanded upon- Big Bad Voyager and it's Federation tech failing it's crew, placing them at the mercy of a lesser race to obtain the material they need to fix it. The idea of potentially stranding them without warp drive certainly has appeal.

    Another lazy alien design- even the Bajorans have more nose ridge makeup than these guys!

    Though it seems silly at first, the actor playing this unwell man pulls it off in a very sad way.

    Aaron From 24.

    The smile Janeway gives in response to "I like this strategy" is fun. Isn't it kinda curious for the main pilot of the ship to be leading a strike team? They have 30 seconds to get down there before they fire- yet Paris walks to the transporter room. Shouldn't they be going site to site?

    Maybe instead of trying to throw off their sensors you should try MOVING.

    This episode was actually a lot better than I thought it would be- the only major flaw is that it requires the crux of this race being practically all human for it to work, which gives it a bit too much of an Alpha Quadrant Story tang...other than that, Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential.

    Trivia: The initial pitch of this Don Quixote concept involved Torres and a Kazon. A different writer pitched a very similar story two days after the writers did- had they waited, the other writer would hav gotten the job.


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    DS9 410: Our Man Bashir
    -Premise: A transporter accident replaces the characters in Bashir's secret agent holosuite program with the physical forms of the station's senior staff.

    -T2Q Comments: Did they really just end the teaser with a "What could possibly go wrong?" line? ugh.

    The Bond-esque holo program works when juxtaposed against Garrak (oh, I forgot- Garrak! Huzzah!), "I think I joined th wrong intelligence unit".

    The warp core ejection system isn't responding...what. a. ****ing. shock.

    I wonder if Eddington is thinking, after seeing the whole command crew essentially vaporize in front of him, "Well, that's ONE way to get a promotion"

    Ok, with Russian Kira we officially know this will be a silly, silly episode.

    So the goon who wasn't affected by the earring flashbomb decides that, rather than shoot at Bashir, he'll charge at him.

    "It's behind the spatula".

    A somewhat amusing spoof/homage to 60's spy films, but the whole concept to make it happen feels really forced and holds me back from being able to embrace it and full enjoy it but for what it is, not bad- just not good enough for me to really recommend it on those grounds. I think if Bashir or Garak had actually just programmed the characters into looking like crew members instead of forcing the whole transporter/holodeck malfunction angle into things to make it happen, I would have found it much more enjoyable.

    Avera
     
  17. Chancellor_Ewok

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    I really like that. The Enterprise gives the impression of being a big ship, as befitting Star Trek series starships, and seems to be like an embryonic TOS Enterprise, just the Excelsior class seems to be something of an ebryonic Galaxy class. There's also the fact that it doesn't disappear when you look at it head on. I think that should have been the Enterprise ship design from the start.
     
  18. Jedi-Anakin-Solo

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    The evolution of it going from only a saucer to adding the secondary hull makes sense to me, because most of the technological advancement in the span between Enterprise and the TOS-era are in the warp drive. Even from the start, NX-01's saucer is almost the exact same size as the 1701's. But, as the warp drive makes advancements, the secondary hull comes into existence and gets bigger to accommodate the Warp Core (and added amenities for a larger crew), and the Warp Engines/Nacelles get bigger too.

    One interesting note, like the Original 1701 and 1701-A, the NX-01 was designed to have saucer separation, but was never used.

    Drex's NX-01 Tech Brief

    I don't think it would have been quite like this though. I think it was probably intended as an emergency failsafe, since the sled didn't have any habitable sections.
     
  19. zacparis

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    Our Man Bashir is awesome. I always loved seeing Brooks come out of his Sisko shell.
     
  20. zacparis

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    The new USS Enterprise NCC-1701-F

    [image=http://startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/StarTrek_EnterpriseF_screen_main.jpg]

    They may claim this is canon, but I doubt any future series/film will honour that. And what happened to the E?

    [image=http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_04.jpg] [image=http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_06.jpg] [image=http://www.startrekonline.com/dyncontent/startrek/uploads/sto_screen_enterprisef_072211_02.jpg]
     
  21. Darth Guy

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    Bleh. Looks too similar to the E. If they ever make another "prime universe" series or film, they certainly won't go with that.
     
  22. Jedi-Anakin-Solo

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    I like the dual neck, however it does look too much like a Sovereign Class, I agree.

    Reading through the blog was interesting. I liked what they said about being able to tell from the silhouette that it's the Enterprise. (Unfortunately, you just think it's the 1701-E :p )
     
  23. The2ndQuest

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    It does look similar to the Sovereign, but I think that's a good thing- much like the evolution from the Ambassador to Galaxy, the changes here shouldn't be too radical. Also, much like the Amabassador and Galaxy classes, the Sovereign and Odyssey classes can almost be mistaken for one another from certain angles.

    I still like the Sovereign better, but, as the blog points out, it does take the Sovereign and add in the design directions suggested by the Intrepid and Prometheus designs, as well a vague step towards the Enterprise-J without making it look like it should be the Enterprise-H instead.
     
  24. Darth Guy

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    The only reason designers went with an "evolution" with the Ambassador is because they had already decided that the B would be an Excelsior and they needed a class to bridge the gap between that and the Galaxy. Otherwise, the Excelsior is a radical change from the Constitution (hell, the Constitution refit is a radical change) and the Sovereign is a radical change from the Galaxy. The game designers didn't have any bookends in mind. They should've been more bold.
     
  25. The2ndQuest

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    Well, regardless of it's origins, the current design pattern has come in pairs: Excelsior looks like a fattened Refit. Then there was a design jump. Then the Galaxy looks like a broadened Ambassador. Then a design jump. Now the Odyssey looks like a stretched Sovereign. I'd expect the G & H to look similar to each other, then the I to the J.

    Sure, each leap has kept some facets of the prior design to suggest a transition/lineage, but it's still be staggered in pairs for the most part.

    Granted, there's nothing saying that HAS to be the case, but I rather like that pattern.


    One thing i can't tell from those pics, though- is the neck now split? Or does it have a neck bracketed by the two extra support columns (making three neck supports total- a primary and two secondaries)?