Amph “So Say We All.” - The Battlestar Galactica Discussion Thread

My irony meter just broke.

 

lol @ all the internet tough-guys talkin' bout snapping a woman's neck with their bare hands for divesting them of their loveless sham-marriage.

 

While Tyrol didn't necessarily love Cally, that doesn't mean he would or should just shrug off her death (he didn't)-- she was still a good friend of his, after all-- and let her murderer get away with it.

 

Which the colonials have a justice system for.

And, besides the fact of the relationship, lol @ anyone who claims they would lift a screaming woman bodily off the ground and snap her neck Vader-style. In any situation. You are some stone-cold scary ****** *******.

 

You're really riled up about this, eh?

And I didn't say I would do that. As I don't have Cylon strength and it'd be a bit more difficult to break someone's neck like that, I would have probably pushed her off the the ledge.

 

That would have been a good scene. A wild-eyed Tyrol pulls his hand out of Ander's hybrid tank, points at Tory, and exclaims, "I'll sue!"

 

It was never really a plotline. Some things were implied about the gods, but the producers weren't dangling any revelations in front of the audience a la the Final Five.


The options:

1) They never existed and were only myths created to explain the human exodus from Kobol, or they were already existing mythical figures when the humans left their homeworld and the humans added stories. This could also apply to #2.

2) They were Cylons. Even if they weren't Cylons, the "cycle of violence" points to a war that rendered Kobol uninhabitable. The humans and Cylons either made peace and agreed to go their separate ways or were still hostile to each other when they parted.

3) They were angels/head-things attempting to guide the humans and prevent them from destroying themselves. Regardless of what the gods were, Pythia likely saw one of these entities, which would explain her knowledge of (Cylon) Earth and the the landmarks along the way. It would also explain why she speaks of the 13th tribe with reverence instead of something like scorn.

 

Ignoring the obvious misrepresentation, what would you have done, internet tough guy #2?

 

I find Tory's murder understandable from Tyrol's perspective. Not only was it his wife (regardless of where they were at in their relationship) and the mother of his child (even though that child ended up not being his), but Tyrol thought all this time that it was his fault she killed herself. Imagine living with that kind of guilt, plus everything that just happened with Boomer, and his outburst, while not morally defensible IMO, certainly makes sense.


So 150,000 years ago... How ugly would those Earth humans have been? Mating with them? Ew, no thanks.

I also think they'd have been better off having had them arrive like 10,000 years ago, around the beginning of agriculture. Although, I guess their whole "cultural subconscious" thing explains why thousands of years later their ideas showed up, and they'd have the fact that with genetic knowledge we should be able to detect a bunch of non-Earth humans entering the population.

 

Well, not if God made it so their integration is undetectable.

 

It strikes me that the dues ex machina that RDM so explicitly set out to avoid is in a way literally the basis of the show.

 

I guess I'll jump on the bandwagon now and say how implausible the "fresh start" thing was. Even giving them the benefit of the doubt that they meant to try it, I don't see how it would last. The first time one of them died of something that could've been resolved with a week's treatment of penicillin, the first time one of suffers from terrible exposure to the elements, the first time they have to eat raw or partly cooked food of dubious value, the first time one of them realizes that they have no way to wipe themselves after going to the restroom, I can see a full scale reversion to their old ways. After all, the central proposition is fundamentally ludicrous. The evil that lurked in the Colonial fleet was not that they had central heating and cooling. The evil that they had was in their own personalities. Stripping themselves of technology does nothing to fix that, and merely leaves them more vulnerable along the way.

Also, lexu I think they'd still be safe coming at the stage. While it would introduce new diversity into the gene pool, it would be happening pretty much simultaneously all over the world. That would therefore tend to make it indistinguishable from the diversity that was already present.

 

Well, ultimately, it's not like they had much of a choice in giving up a lot of those things. They would have soon run out of resources, anyway. Even the technology would have gotten old and ceased to function and they'd have run out of ways to fix it.

After years of running, the experience on New Caprica and the no doubt deteriorating condition of the ships, maybe the appeal of leaving it all behind was stronger than we can imagine. And once they made the decision, there wouldn't really be any going back. The medicine and things like that probably would have been used up, but eventually run out.

When you think about it, their desire to continue their civilization was never a reality. They'd either have blended into the society of the 13th Tribe if they'd found that as they hoped (ie not nuked) or they'd have to do this. Start over almost completely.

 

*peeks in with fingers covering eyes*

I missed the final episode....do you think Sci Fi.com will post the finale online??? I am just dying to see it! It's killing me!

 

Yeah, on Saturday, I think.

 

Quick question, is the Cylon Colony fireing some sorf of plasma cannon at Galactica when it jumps in?

The biq quad cannons are just regular KEVs, but the bigger ones sure do look like a type of laser/plasma/particle-ray of some sort, or is it just missile exhaust?

 

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Then let it. They'd still live a lot better in the mean time, and they would basically be in the same situation they were in before, except on a planet full of resources. They would be in a much better situation to start industrial centers than they were on New Caprica.

 

I'd agree, ImpKnight. Sure, they probably won't be able to maintain the level of civilization that they had on New Caprica. However, they could pretty rapidly build up to, say, at least our level of technology. From there, it's a lot shorter path back to the standard of living they're used to than what they actually decided to go with.

 

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Bring the spinny ship back to life!

 

The finale has finally aired in the U.K., and it was great. Cavil's end was my favourite part, but it was all pretty good. I got a little teared up by the end.

I feel validated.