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But it could have been, and that's the point you keep ignoring. It's not like stories exist independently of the author and must be told a certain way. That's what you seem to think.

I'm not even arguing it should have been, just that I would have liked it better if it had been.

 

Yeah it could have been a lot of things, that is true.

 

I always saw it as breaking the "rules" in the PT to free slaves (kinda like the prime directive in Star Trek of not interfering in others affair/cultures), whereas in the OT given that it's Empire vs Rebels these "rules" disappear (more about doing the right thing).

 

Except that Kirk and co broke the PD a lot, with usually little to no consequences. And the problem is that we're never told that there's such a rule in the actual films. So the Jedi just look like a-holes as a result.

 

Yeah that is a good way to look at it. The republic had its jurisdiction and the republic and Jedi didn't go beyond that jurisdiction. Empire and rebellion, that is a whole other story. The rebellion didn't have to follow the imperial mandates. That is what makes them rebels!

 

I know they did, it was just an example of how I saw it, I don't see the Jedi or Republic declaring war on slave owners (like the Hutts) that have a lot of influence/power on the galaxy which might bite them in the ass later.

 

The republic government is supposed to take the primary action against issues such as slavery and all that. The Jedi just follow mandates set by the republic itself.

 

we have even seen a few times in TCW where the Jedi/Republic tried to keep the Hutt Clan happy, which tells you they won't take any actions that will anger the Hutts.

 

Even Dooku never tried to cross paths with the Hutt's.

 

If you look at it from a moral (right and wrong) point of view yes it's bad/terrible but from a Political and economical point of view (alliances and neutrality) it makes perfect sense (maybe even smart???).

 

Dooku didn't have enough screentime to cross his shoelaces...

 

talking about TCW not the movies.

 

starocean90 thanks for that. You knew exactly where I was coming from. And it shows how the rebellion didn't even get involved rescuing Han from the Hutt's. The Hutt clan was very powerful and controlled a good amount of space and space lanes. It would be suicide for Qui Gon to have attempted to try and free slaves right under the Hutt's noses and on their turf. If Qui Gon was deciding to go that route.

 

starocean90 My fault, I completely overlooked what thread I opened. My legitimate apologies, for real. Throw you a like for the inconvenience lol...

 

So again you chaps are presupposing the story had to be told a certain way. I think it would have been more fun to see him lead a slave revolt. Or at least to rescue as many slaves as he could.

I don't know about you, but I watch Star Wars for acts of bravery and selflessness -- not for excuses about why the Jedi couldn't be heroes.

What makes for a better movie?

 

which is why Luke was different than the PT jedis, he was compassionate and always did the right thing no matter the consequences, which makes me curious:
"imagine if Luke was alive during the height of the Republic , would he have been the same???"

 

Interesting. Wonder how the High Council would have felt about someone like Luke? Would he care?

p.s. starocean90 Now I owe you another like. I shall not be indebted to the likes of you! I will "like" you once more. If it is reciprocated I expect to see you at dawn with dueling gloves. I bid you good day...

 

It makes even less sense to have Vader become a part of a tyrannical empire knowing he was a slave to begin with.

 

Maybe being a slave taught him to serve a master, hence The Emperor being his master later on. Also,Vader despised the Peculiar Hat Crew, who were aristocrats.

 

That'd make sense if his characterization didn't constantly paint him as a rebel, doing the exact opposite of what people tell him to do the entire PT.

 

Yep -- and it is a real phenomenon in our world. Slaves -- the oppressed -- usually want to become masters. As Nietzsche says, "Slave morality does not seek to transcend the masters, but to make them slaves as well." For example, the working class wants to become rich, but to become rich means exploiting the labor of the working class.

It's a kind of false consciousness (ideology) where the oppressed are taught to value the same things the oppressors value. Like exercising power over others.

 

Oh, I won't deny that at all. The real argument and reasoning is that, with the loss of Padme and his children, Anakin saw no reason but to do what he was told. As we can see with the end of Empire and Jedi, the second Vader had something to live for again he turned against the emperor.

I'd just have preferred some better writing on this regard for the PT.

 

Or maybe after being enslaved he became bitter and wanted to be on the other side of the human slave spectrum...

 

I broadly agree... TPM works almost like a preface to the prequel. I personally think the PT would have been better starting with something similar to AOTC, where Anakin is already established as a Jedi etc. etc. But I respect that Lucas felt he needed to show Anakin as an 'innocent'. On reflection, I'm not sure showing Anakin as an 'innocent' adds anything.

I don't really agree with that Dra. I think Lucas is showing that the Jedi, and Qui-Gon, exist and function within a galaxy where corruption is rife and injustice is common (and where the Jedi’s protection has a limited reach). I think that is the broad backdrop of the PT (specifically TPM)... and obviously Qui-Gon is tasked in protecting Queen Amidala... as well as being moved to free Anakin. I think if Lucas had portrayed the situation on Tatooine much darker e.g. the slaves living in squalid conditions, being beaten etc. I would agree that something would seem off if Qui-Gon and Anakin had left Shmi to a grim fate... but Lucas portrays this slave existence in quite a hyper-realistic/fantasy way i.e. it’s tame... and for what it's worth, I agree... TPM has an overall light tone. But I think the actions of the characters are reflective of, and consistent with, the tone. Whether the tone should have been darker is another question/topic (probably not suited to this conversation).

 

Its all flawed to me, but even tpm is superior to aotc. If it wasn't for jar jar it would almost be a decent film .