new ob1/vader duel scene!

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by 800-pound-ewok, Jun 11, 2002.

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  1. 800-pound-ewok Jedi Youngling

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    they have the tech to do it, so why not?

    i think could make anh a tad bit more complete by editing the duel between darth and ob1. they could keep all the alec guiness closeups and dialogue in it, but they could edit the wide angle shots and replace them with new better-choreographed ones. i suggest ewan(with old ob1 make-up and costume) performing this with hayden(darth costume. hayden's tall enough!) and having it inserted between cuts of the original footage. imo, that would be ****in' nice!

    they have the tech to do it, so why not?
  2. zeekveerko Jedi Grand Master

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    yeah, and while they're at it they should replace mark hamill with nathan lane, and harrison ford with roseanne, and then take out carrie fisher and use delta burke instead. that would be cool, and since they have the tech to do it why not?
  3. 800-pound-ewok Jedi Youngling

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    to zeek...

    that would be soooo ****in' hilarious to watch!

    i'm already playin those scenes in my head and LMAO!
  4. zeekveerko Jedi Grand Master

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    well i'm glad you have a sense of humor about it.
  5. MynDonos Jedi Knight

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    "If it aint broke, don't fix it."
  6. LostJediKnight Jedi Master

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    if it aint broke... sure sure, but tell that to LUcas
  7. 800-pound-ewok Jedi Youngling

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    if it ain't broke, don't fix it?!

    so why bother to make OT-SE then?

    hmm...
  8. Obi-Ewan Force Ghost

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    To make more money under the pretense of completing one's artistic vision.
  9. JMaster Luke Force Ghost

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    I totally agree. Re fix this scene. Make obi and vader move fast and then when they get their sabers locked and say there lines show the original footage.

    "u can't win darth"

    then show the fight take place from behind obi wan (since obi is wearing a hood and u wouldn't be able to tell whos under the hood)

  10. Crazy_Vasey Jedi Master

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    NO!
    NO!
    NO!

    I like their duel. Just because it's not all jumping around, doing backflips and other such guff doesn't make it bad.
  11. Grieve Jedi Knight

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    I agree. Go ahead and change the saber effects, but not the actual duel.
  12. JMaster Luke Force Ghost

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    u know maybe i would say that lucas shouldn't change this fight, but since a 900yr old Yoda and a 80yr old sith can fight faster then darth maul then i dont see why

    the chosen one Darth Vader and another 80yr old guy can't fight just as fast.

    Remeber when yoda and dooku fight? they fight fast and do all that cool stuff, but when they want to talk they just lock their sabers and say a few words and then move fast again.

    thats what lucas should do with vader obi wan fight. Make them move fast. and when they get the the parts where ben talks show the original scene where there sabers are locked together. it could totally work. and it should be fixed

    dont forget in e3 anakin and obi wan fight. and i'm pretty sure that that fight aint gonna be slow like in ANH. it'll be fast just like all the other fights. so going from fast jedi fights. (maul vs obi, yoda vs dooku, anakin vs obi wan) we will have to see this fast past fight continue.
  13. zeekveerko Jedi Grand Master

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    he should just make everything digital, since the entire ot sucks in its original format anyway.
    [/sarcasm]
    for more of this brand of sarcasm read the above scenario about looke being played by nathan lane (the guy from the birdcage)
  14. Coligeon Jedi Knight

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    That would really make the duel choppy. Scene 1: "You can't win Darth. If you strike me down I will become more powerfull then you could possibly imagine." Scene 2: Obi Wan flips over Vader and runs around the walls in circles confusing Vader. Come on, that would so not work. The duel is classic, let it be.
  15. zeekveerko Jedi Grand Master

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    [face_laugh]
    that scene would need some whoob whoob whoob sounds (like curly) coming out of obi.
  16. barxtherockingm Jedi Knight

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    Yeah, at first I was thinking

    "Yeah, add more"

    But now I'm thinking, this is hwo lucas' wants it to be. he even said it on the TPM dvd "A cripple fighting and old man"

    And the fights in the PT make those make more sense.

    All I would do is fix the sabers
  17. JMaster Luke Force Ghost

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    how can GL use the excuse of ben and vader being old and thats why they are slow if a 900yr old yoda and an 80yr old man can move faster then darth maul?

    somethings got to give. either both vader and ben have lost their skills in the force since they dont really fight anymore or its just a dam mistake on GL part.

    And i'm not saying obi wan should do flips around vader and climb walls like yoda did but just move faster. alittle slower then how obi wan attacked maul when qui gon died. obi didn't flip around maul he just fought fast.
  18. MattDavis Jedi Padawan

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    guys guys guys... we have to think out of universe for a sec. i'm new to these forums, and i don't know if i'm going to get shot for bringing it up, but look at star trek. the old klingons from the 60s show had flat foreheads, cause of many OUT OF UNIVERSE problems. later, like in next generation, OUT OF UNIVERSE problems had been solved, so they could have bumpy foreheads. same with saber fighting in star wars

    i think we can all agree that star wars is a classic, so why mess with it? i mean, why dont we take all the old classic sci fi movies from the 40s-60s, and just re-do them? "we have the technology!!!!" they're classics, and are very enjoyable. there's too much "fanboy fervor" ever since the new trilogy. "OMFG!!! JEDIS CAN DO FLIPS AND TWIRLS AND ALL SORTS OF COOL STUFF!!!! THE OT IS SO LAME NOW!! RE-DO IT!!!" i realize that the duels are less spectacular in the OT, but that doesn't mean i enjoy them any less. in fact, i take a great interest in their slight campiness when compared to the new stuff. anyway, i realize i'm beginning to ramble, so i'll just say that, with the exception of cleaning up the lightsaber effects, there's no reason to refilm scenes just to make the dueling fanboys drool

    edit: just to make myself clear, there's a difference between updating some special effects, and then refilming entire scenes. like, making neater backgrounds into cloud city or a more expansive mos eisley in the background is a slight tweak, but adding new actors to vastly change a scene is silly
  19. DarthMaulX2 Jedi Master

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    Yeah, I say leave the cheezy effects in! It only makes the PT look better!

    The only stuff that they need to change is the weird stuff that doesnt fit the plot such as Obi stating that Owen Lars was his brother.
  20. JMaster Luke Force Ghost

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    Star Trek klingons are in a TV show. no one really cares for that. no one goes back and fixes TV shows. BUT GL IS going back and fixing the OT. he WANTS to make it more advanced. And i can't think of a better place to make the OT and the PT fights seem more equal then during the vader ben fight.

    its got the most potention cuz of the fact that obi wans got his hood up. so during most of the fight u can't see his face. so u can put someone else to fight for guinesses spot to make the fight faster.
  21. 800-pound-ewok Jedi Youngling

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    all i'm sayin is that lucas already tainted his classics with our new technology, so why not go even further? it doesn't make any sense for ob1 and anakin/vader to fight like cripples when they were layin down some serious swordplay in the PT.

    they don't even have to tamper with alec guiness's lines, acting, and close-ups. all they have to do is edit the wide angle shots where he's hooded. i never meant for ob1 to be jumping and flipping around. he can keep both feet on the ground and still fight with speed, grace, and elegance. if count dooku could do it, why can't ob1?

    or have yoda and dooku been takin some sort of viagra that ob1 has never known of? hmm...

    i still say FIX IT! lucas has fixed the rest, so why not this? what could it possibly hurt?

  22. Icebreaker Force Ghost

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    The only stuff that they need to change is the weird stuff that doesnt fit the plot such as Obi stating that Owen Lars was his brother

    Where in the hell does this scene take place? I know this was in the ROTJ NOVEL but never in one of the movies...I think you are mistaken.

    Now as for to the real purpose of this thread, I am not sure where I stand. If Lucas decides to go all out and really make the two trilogies stand together as one and finish his stories with the best technology I MIGHT go for this...However, he will have to make sure that it is a seamless transition between new CGI fighting and 1977 old men fighting. I don't want it to stand out like some of the scenes in the SE did.

    Please George, I dont have a problem with you updating stuff...but just make sure that it all fits

    ~ICeBreaKeR
    His abilities have made him...arrogant
  23. 800-pound-ewok Jedi Youngling

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    to icebreaker...

    exactly! kudos!
  24. Masterjabba Jedi Knight

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    why not just computer generate the whole duel?? and why stop there, why not the entire trilogy???
  25. Count_Drew-ku Jedi Youngling

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    Ok, I see that the human race has given up on watching well put together cinema and just likes to watch big video games now.

    How lame. [face_plain]
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