New Policy on Religious Threads

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Padme Bra, Jun 2, 2001.

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  1. Lott_Dod Jedi Padawan

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    Mar 19, 2001
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    As long as the discussion can be kept mature they should be allowed. Trying to censor topics that stimulate peoples minds and causes people to think is pointless. I realize why the admins implemented this plan, but there should be exceptions when the discussion is educated and mature.
  2. No blasters! Jedi Master

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    Feb 14, 2000
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    The problem is that not everyone is "mature", as Sith Vicious pointed out earlier. My suggestion:

    For those who feel they *must* discuss religion with SW folks, why not start an EZ board combining the two and post the URL in your JC profile? Go to EZboard.com and set one up. That's what any number of JC "groups" have done, for a number of reasons...
  3. keiran_helcyan Jedi Padawan

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    Dec 13, 1999
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    Holy heaven look what happens when I leave for a day (I'll never leave the JC again). While I do disagree on a wide spectrum ban for a few flame fests, I guess that's the way of day. I was most sad to see the quote the bible thread closed, there was no flaming there (it was protected from any off bible posts by an admin) and it seemed incredibly harmless. Oh well back to more useless threads, with zero exciting debates. I guess it's time to modify my sig again.
  4. Darth Dark Helmet Manager Emeritus

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    Dec 27, 1999
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    I think this thread serves as a perfectly good reason why religious threads should be banned.
  5. Tellesto Jedi Knight

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    Dec 7, 1999
    star 5
    This...this is a good idea.
    I'm suprised it took so long to bring the policy back, but now that you have, it should control the Community a bit more.
  6. McNerf-Burger Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 13, 2000
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    I think this is a good idea. Go admins! Boo yah.
  7. son_of_the_tear Jedi Master

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    Jun 23, 1999
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    It is about time. I have nothing against religion. I don't. I have a good deal of faith, I come from a mixed family. Jews, Catholics, Athiests, Agnostics, Spiritualists, those with easter philosphies, etc, etc.

    I love to lear about many religions. But there is a time and place for thet. I am Jewish. Well, I am a cashew. Half Jewish, half catholic.But my belief lies only on Judaism.

    But put it this way. In real life, wehn I join a club or a meeting that is not a religious one, if someone got up and started preaching about their religion, whther Christianity, Judaism or whatever, I would leave and think about coming back. Because I was like, man I just wnated to hang out wiht the club and have fun and stuff. I don't want preaching. And the problem lied is that the only ones here preaching were the Christian members, making me and others feel out of place.

    Now, if someone preached about Judaism and saying this or that, I would still hate it because again, there is a time and place for that. And trust me, inr eal life, when I am ina group and someone begins to talk about Judaism as the only right way, I open my mouth and tell them to hush. Because I have friends of all cultures and beliefs and it is annoying because I beleive no one can tell another what is wrong or right. In my mind, everyone is wrong and right and the message is what counts, whether athiest or Jewish or whatever. Why separate ourselves on a message board that is fun?

    I remember last summer there wasa thread only for Christians to socialize. That was wrong IMO. Same if it would have been a Jewish thread or whatever.


    Now, politics and other issues. That is another story. I am republican. Do you think i care if someone is democratic or makes jokes about republicans? No. Because as someone said earlier, no one loses anything or wins anything if you like Bush or not.

    There is a diffrence between faith and polictis. Fait is personal and unless a certain politician is your relative or friend, then it does not affect you. Simple as that.

    In fact, I will say I am just a person. I said republican because I usually identify more with their agenda and have supported republicans mostly. But I dont agree with everything in their agenda. I think Reagan was the greatest president ever, but hell, I supported Gore in this election. I am still a republican, but I support the man not the party.

    Point is, we dont lose something from politics or other issues.

    But faith, that is tricky because that is something that is very personal and eep and part of you if you beleive in it.


    No one is going to hell or purgatory or going to have bad karma or a bad reincarnation as a door knob or lose a place with Allah because they disagree with politics or other debates or make jokes abour democrats or republicans or whatever.

    Abortion. Yes, many religious groups are againts it. And I respect that, but if someone else disagrees with it, you yourself will not go to hell because someone else disagreed with you.

    Just please don't tell them that they will go to hell because they disagree or turn it into a religious debate.

    I am againts abortion, but not for religious reasons. I have had many debates and with religious people without having religions being brought up. Just ethics and personal morals.


    Anyone understand my point or did I ramble on and on?

    I support this ban on such topics.

    Thank you.
  8. JediWarrior Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 7, 2000
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    I really don't support this...I understand when people tried to convert each other...but line-by-line threads?!? :eek: They're not even theological!
    Can we at least get epic's 'religion' thread back?!? We'll be good, really we will. :)
  9. McNerf-Burger Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 13, 2000
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    Its an SW site. Why not make an EZboard like they said before.
  10. Saint_of_Killers Jedi Youngling

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    Feb 18, 2001
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    About the EZ board thing:There's not nearly as many people at an EZboard as here, and thus not us much capacity for discussion.

    I don't agree with this policy. I didn't see any religious threads degenerating into flame wars(I didn't say there weren't any, but if there was, I didn't see it).

    I really hope this ban ain't permanent.

    BTW, PB, I'm glad you're not over-using the "it's not a democracy" excuse. Of course, it isn't a democracy, but I think it's toolish to beat us over the head with it.
  11. keiran_helcyan Jedi Padawan

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    Dec 13, 1999
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    More like a virtual representative government. The admins are choosen to theoretically represent our views, and do what's for the best, yet as the peasant class our actual views mean little to the aristocracy (admins) ;)
  12. No blasters! Jedi Master

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    Feb 14, 2000
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    No, it's not a democracy. It's more like a republic, as k_h points out.
  13. Storm5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 9, 2000
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    This new policy is simply inconsequent: you either ban all controversial threads or ban none.
    It's hypocrite to suggest the members should create an ezboard to discuss in religious threads. I bet that after one month we won't be allowed aymore to post the link to the board.
    Please bring back the relgious threads. I'm very grateful this board has a community forum but religion is part of every community and it's really a shame you take this away from us.
  14. JediWarrior Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 7, 2000
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    Instead we get to discuss intelligent topics like What Mr Neck Ate For Lunch...or...Kosh...or other fascinating topics...<rolleyes.gif>
    Really guys, The majority of the religious threads had zero controversy!
  15. No blasters! Jedi Master

    Member Since:
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    "It's hypocrite (sic) to suggest the members should create an ezboard to discuss in religious threads"


    Why is that hypocritical? There's thousands of different places to discuss religion, but if you feel absolutely compelled to discuss it with other SW fans, why not go to an EZ Board? No, they don't get the traffic that this place does, but you would likely find other like minded individuals. With time, I'm sure you could generate a steady stream of visitors, provided the board is stimulating and well run.

    Furthermore, tear summed up rather nicely the difference between religion and a host of other controversial topics. What in his post do you specifically disagree with?

    Finally, to address your point that every community has religion, I'll make two points.

    Number one, no not every community does, unless you count the non believers as a religion in and of itself.

    Two, this place isn't a community, despite the name it's been given. It is a message board, a fan site, a type of free club, but it's not a community. It's focus is far too narrow for that.
  16. No blasters! Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Feb 14, 2000
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    JW, I would warrant that it's the minority of problem threads that lead to this re-imposed rule. We once had a ban on religious topics and some people asked repeatedly that they be allowed back, with the promise that it could be handled nicely this time.

    Since that's obviously not the case, the old rule against them was revived. Unfortunately you are the victim of those who cannot control themselves...
  17. Mr. P FanFic Archive Editor, Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Apr 1, 2000
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    I'm sorry, but this is neither a democracy or republic. This is more of an aristocratic regime. We make the rules, and even if the people give us some good ideas, we can ignore your opinions on our policies all we want and you can't do anything about it. :p And besides, did any of you pick and ask us to be admins? I think not. It was the other admins. So it can't be a democracy or republic, by definition!

    Anyway, we've found that religion threads are particularly prone to people getting into flame wars because they aren't tolerant of others' religions. IMHO, this was a fantastic move by us. :) We were fine a while ago when relgion threads were banned, we won't all die and go to hell now that the ban is back.

    --Mr. P :cool:
  18. Wylding Jedi Knight

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    Aug 13, 2000
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    I am reminded of the old black and white films in which the Nazi's banned and then burned all books that weren't consistent with the Reich's views.

    The fact that the JC if following a similar pattern to the third Reich in it's policies is ghastly. I wonder what Lucas would say? Afterall, he has stated that one of the purposes of placing the force in his movies was to stimulate questions among young people about spirituality and God.

    The fact that I won't be able to talk about Taoism, Zen Buddhism, Ki, Christianity and Chi makes the JC a much more boring place.

    May a watered-down-boring-all-inclusive-PC-teaser-of-power-greater-than-yourself be with you.



  19. JediWarrior Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Jun 7, 2000
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    I'm with Wylding, GL said in his 60 minuets interview (Among other places) that the purpose of SW was to facilitate religious thoughts in todays youth.
  20. No blasters! Jedi Master

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    Yeah, the JC is just one big breeding ground of Nazi-ism.

    Riiight.

  21. No blasters! Jedi Master

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    Oh, I initially missed the part about it being "all-inclusive-PC".

    Can you please explain to me how PC and Nazi-ism can co-exist?
  22. Wylding Jedi Knight

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    Aug 13, 2000
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    NB wrote: "Yeah, the JC is just one big breeding ground of Nazi-ism.

    Riiight. "



    LOL, no, but it's admin's are using the Reich's methodology to great success. The worst thing is they seem to have convinced themselves that what they are doing is best for everyone. Since they aren't everyone (and have so stated in many posts here) they can't know what's best for everyone by definition of their own statements.


    Also, they work against Lucas' own desires for his films. Their position is tenuous at best.
  23. Storm5 Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 9, 2000
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    This is so narrow minded. This new rule will make all the members paranoid. If we are going to ban every thread that has the possibility to turn into flame fest than why don't close the whole board?
    You have the feeling you can't control something so you ban it... Well, that's wrong because you CAN control it!
  24. No blasters! Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    Feb 14, 2000
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    Lucas has only made vague references to religion in his body of work. He has never specifically endorsed any particular religion. Additionally, the mods haven't banned the discussion of religion as it pertains to the SW movies.

    So, no, I don't see that as being antithetical to his creative vision.

    As far as the admins doing what they think is best for everyone...if I think they've made the wrong decision, I don't hesitate to say so. (Oh, you don't know how true that is!)

    But the fact remains that there are rules here. They've said "No foul language". Do you disagree with that? No pornography. Do you disagree with that? No spam, for that matter. Do you disagree with that?

  25. Wylding Jedi Knight

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    Aug 13, 2000
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    NB wrote: "Oh, I initially missed the part about it being "all-inclusive-PC".

    Can you please explain to me how PC and Nazi-ism can co-exist?"

    Well, that's easy. You see to mold any society to the way that you want it to be you need to establish certain rules as to what is appropriate and what is not appropriate for people to think. The Nazi's established their own definition of what was PC for their society. ie. It was politically correct to be angry at jews for your countries problems, it was PC to burn and censor books/thoughts that were not condusive to an appropriately aryan mindset (sound familiar JC admins?), it was PC to mark Jewish areas of buisness with a star of David, it was PC to follow the Reich and not ask questions...I could go on, but I won't.

    Like I said the position of the admins here is simply ghastly in light of recent history.
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