New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

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  1. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Yeah, I recall that bit from the game.

    I suppose it is plausible for the Rebellion to outfit some of their medium transports into remote controlled "ramships". Granted we never see an instance of this during the movie's portrayal of the Battle of Endor, but then again we know that the Imperial and Rebel fleets were far larger than the movie showed, so I guess we can chalk the ramships up to be offscreen.

    Personally though, I don't see a widescale use of this tactic during the battle. Granted Ackbar had prepared for the battle royale of the war, but I still can't see a resource strapped Alliance wasting a large portion of its already taxed transport fleet on suicide runs. Hell, the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook from WEG makes it clear that Ordanace and Supply had a tough enough time keeping the fleet and various Rebel outposts supplied due to a shortage of transports.

    --Adm. Nick

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    Does anyone know why certain icons have disappeared from the list of pictures? My avatar has been the same Ackbar since I joined the boards over two years ago, yet now it is gone? This new Ackbar picture will suffice, but has anyone heard of any problems?
  2. Brant_Flir Jedi Master

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    I think that they may use them, but i think the 'pimped' out one that Thrawn McEwok said would be more practical.
  3. Ivan_R Jedi Padawan

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    just wondering whether there was a Fleet Junkies OOB (Order Of Battle) thread or something similar...

    as both a wargamer and historian, the battles are where my interests lie, and as such, any repository of ships/units involved (TOEs not required) would be greatly appreciated :)

    my next question would be to ask for AARs, but I doubt too many people would be interested in those... ;)
  4. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Nick: I believe that the second Admiral Snackbar icon was the one you always used, correct? It still seems to be there...
  5. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    Nick: You changed you icon! I may die of confusion!
  6. Brant_Flir Jedi Master

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    Well, i also write fan fics, and when i need an idea for a battle, i play Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds-Saga. But thta is for homemade battles. If you have the New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels, at the end it shows the layouts of major battles in the GFFA, what ships particicpated, and how theey were placed and where they moved, along with the battle set in writings.
  7. Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Master

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    Hmm.. anyone has the game to confirm? I thought the Rebels had a stunning victory at Turkanna.

    As for the CC90, I recall the Rebels used some shielding technology of a sort.

    As for the Republic as of the KOTOR era, KOTOR II showed the Republic in a terrible mess on the edge of collapse. Even the aftermath of KOTOR II left things rather uncertain. It will be a long time before the Republic recovers. KOTOR III (hopefully) might show things rather differently.
  8. FTeik Force Ghost

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    It does make a lot of sense.

    After all, you can hardly expect the leaders of Cygnus of that time to use an out-of-universe dating-system centered around a battle, that is going to take place thousands of years in their future.

    Nowhere is a "BBY" mentioned, the only quote we have is "formed AFTER the UnificationWars of 3,817". So we're probabely looking at a local dating-system in which the UnificationWars took place in the year 3,817. BoY would then take place in the year 28,817 of that dating-system.


    @AdmiralNick:

    As far as i remember the novel of ROTJ the battle of Endor was an "all or nothing" for the Rebel-Alliance (even before they realized, that they were walking into a trap). So there is no reason, why the Alliance-Fleet should NOT have ramships and flying bombs.
  9. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Weren't the ramships in the novel?

    They not only used them in RSIII, but also in XvT: BoP--a ramship hit HIMS Vengeance as part of that final battle.
  10. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    Apparently it was just a board glitch. :)

    My Ackbar icon is back and here to stay.

    "Be smart. Be victorious!" :p

    --Adm. Nick
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  12. AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature

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    In regards to the battle of Turkana, I seem to recall some source claiming that the battle consisted of a Rebel force of seven Mon Calamari cruisers vs. a Imperial fleet of ten Imperial Star Destroyers. I do not have the source handy at the moment, but those numbers are in my mind for some reason.

    Regardless of the actual numbers, Turkana was a major victory for the Rebel Alliance.

    @Jello:

    Aye, you were. A mod told me that their had been some glitches lately, which people noticing that their icon disappeared from time to time. :)

    --Adm. Nick
  13. EvilleJedi Jedi Master

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    you could convert a ship to a ram ship when the cost of repairs exceeds the cost of replacement... or when repairs are not possible(a large structural failure that makes the ship break apart in a high energy turn, but it flies straight quite well).

    I don't see very many of these, but a few would make sense if they were last minute resurrections from scrapyards
  14. Grin_Reaper Jedi Knight

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    GrandAdmiralJello posted on 8/30/05 3:33pm

    They not only used them in RSIII, but also in XvT: BoP--a ramship hit HIMS Vengeance as part of that final battle.
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    Executor's presence at Endor. Perhaps the Alliance plan was to use a number of explosive-laden ramships to either destroy or cripple it, removing the need for the fleet to engage in a long and dangerous gun duel with a ship capable of obliterating a large part of it with ease?/>/>
  15. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    Fact Files articled robot ramships, I think, from Showdown at Centerpoint.
  16. President_Sharky Jedi Master

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    No, the reason why they weren't concerned about Executor was because the Rebel Alliance fleet assembled at Sullust had the necessary firepower to neutralize it. As they approach Endor, they only see theExecutor and two escorting destroyers, completely missing the 30 or so additional ISDs that are already on the far side of the planet. The movie clearly demonstrates that the concentrated firepower of the Mon Calamari Star Cruisers, particularly of Home One and her sister(s), is enough to collapse the shields of the Executor. The situation only gravitates in the Empire's favour after you add the 30 other Star Destroyers, which would overwhelm the 15 or so Star Cruisers the Rebels were bringing in.
  17. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    But with an illegal name change, the Exec now has 5000 guns. Pah . . .
  18. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Sharky: But weren't there ramships used in the novel against Executor, or am I misrecollecting?
  19. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    Where is the Book of Shuttle Plans from? Is it canon? And most of its system names are real stars, even Sol (our sun).
  20. President_Sharky Jedi Master

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    I don't know about Executor, but I'm quite certain that ramships were used against some of the ISDs at Endor, probably the communications ship too.
  21. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Galaxy Far Far Away indeed!

    What is the government hiding? :(

    Sharky: Alright--thanks.
  22. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    ROTJ also mentions Alderaanian gunships in the Rebel Fleet at endor...intriguing.

    On a side note, numerous sources in the EU use real star names (Anturus, Altair, Rigel).

    Were these stars moved from GFFA to Milky Way by Centerpoint? By Waru? By a certain piece of headgear? By McEwok?

    Technically, the Unification Wars didn't form the Republic, they kept it from being otrn apart. They were a result of the First Schism, when the Dark Jedi Xendor and Master of Teras Kasi Arden Lyn tried to conquer the fledgling Republic. The Cygnus pamphlet may a date in terms of years after the Formation of the Republic. Acc to such a system, ANH=Year 25000 (approximately). But of course it does NOT in GFFA, due to the Great Resynchronization.
  23. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    Stackpole and McDowell had many World War 1 and 2 ship names too.
  24. Senator_Cilghal Force Ghost

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    TIE Fighter had ships named after Persian emperors and characters from Mesopotamian myth. JAT had the Basilisk, Manticore, etc.
  25. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Frigate Xerxes! I just blew her up a few minutes ago, in one of my numerous replays of that game.

    They also use Latin words like Pilum for ATRs and the like. Plus, the obvious usage of Greek letters for Imperial squadron names in TIE Fighter and the X-wing comics (Fel refers to the Alpha Squadron of the 181st).

    There are also numerous Earth sayings transcribed to make sense in SW terms, too.
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