New Republic Capital Ships - still sorting out the mess... (Fleet Junkies- HO!)

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  1. Slash78 Force Ghost

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    Ok, I'll admit I haven't read more then about 5 pages of this thread, but I want to adress what I read on the first few pages....

    These are my theories of what the ships are...

    Republic-class Star Destroyer-1250m-Designed by the same engineer that was responsible for the Victory/Victory II-class Star Destroyers. My theory is it was originally designed for Rendili StarDrive as a competitor to the KDY's Imperial-class (obviously not know as the Republic at the time) as an expansion of the Victory-class SD. It lost out and when the engineer, someone can remind me of his name, came over to the Rebellion he brought the design with him. Sometime before Thrawn's Campaign the design is dusted off, updated and begins production as the Republic-class.

    Republic-class Cruiser-600m to 900m-low cost analogue to the Bothan Assault Cruiser. A Bakura-class SDs build by KDY for sale to the NR or a competing design to the Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser. Another possiblity that KDY took over/bought the construction of the Vindicator-class Heavy Cruiser.

    Nebula-class Star Destroyer-1040m-a low cost alternative to the Republic-class SD and equivilent Mon Cal designs. Meant to be the 'heavy' units of the 5th Fleet as well as replace whatever VSDs still in service.

    Defender-class Star Destroyer-1040m-upgunned and uparmored version of the Nebula-class SD. To supplement the RSDs and NSDs like the ISD II supplemented the ISD.

    Mediator-class Battlecrusier-1800m-inlarged and upgraded version of the MC90. Fast and heavily armed with the ability to operate independly from the fleet for long periods of time.

    Star Defenders-generic term for a ship bigger then Star Destroyers/Star Cruisers/Battlecruiers. Ships larger then even Home One able to combat SSDs. Because KDY and REC/Rendili are busy building other ships of the fleet CEC and the Mon Calimari shipyards were tasked to develop and build their own designed based on the same general requirements. These ships are probably greater then 3200m and less then 8000m. I don't see a CEC/MC co-development.

    Corona-class Frigate-275m-a replacement for both the Nebulon-B frigate and Quasar Fire (Flurry)-class coverted Carrier. Probably looks like the cross between a widened Lancer Frigate and Nebulon-B2. Though somewhat prettier then the pics show in CTD.

    Fighter wings:
    Imperial; 72 fighters in 2 groups of three squadrons each (or three groups of two squadrons)
    Rebel Alliance (pre-Endor); 36 fighter in 3 squadrons
    New Republic (post-Endor); 48 fighters in 2 groups of 2 squadrons each*

    *When Wedge Antilles was reforming Rogue Squadron he fell under command of General Salms Defender Wing. 3 Squadrons of Y-Wings + 1 Squadron of X-wings = 4 squadrons. When Wraith Squadron was formed it was also one of four squadrons to of the Wing, the others being A-Wing Squadrons. By the end of the hunt for Zsinj Wedge was commanding a 'group' of 4 squadrons, an X-wing squadron, a mixed X-Wing/TIE interceptor squadron, an A-wing squadron and a B-Wing Squadron. Normally such a group would be called a 'wing', except that Wedge was a Commander (at least Major, but most likely Colonel) and a Wing is commanded by a General.
  2. President_Sharky Jedi Master

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    Well, we've come to a concensus on the majority of these issues. The Mediator, however, has a lower limit of 1901 meters due to the fact that the Viscount-class Star Defender is stated as being larger than anything ever built at the Mon Calamari shipyards (including 3.8 km Home One) and also being twice as large as the Mediator-class. There's also the fact that the Viscount was on the same battle line as the 19,000 Executor-class Star Dreadnought Guardian, implying that it might be of comparable calibre.
  3. Slash78 Force Ghost

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    Not everyone would argee on the Guardian's size or it being called a "Star Dreadnought".
  4. Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Master

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    Erm, official stats already state the Executor class of Star Dreadnaughts is 19000km long. No argument here.
  5. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    And I still say Mediators called larger than Vong destroyers in the Ord Mantel battle can be so by as little as 50m.
  6. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Also an NR wing is three squadrons. Rogue Squadron was not part of Defender Wing. ;) Imperial wings are six squadrons.

    By the time of Isard's Revenge, the NR has taken to callnig 6 squadrons a "full wing" and three squadrons a "combat wing."

    EDIT: On another note, do we know where the Imperial Naval Academy is? The ISB says it's the best of all the Imperial Academies out there, but it merely states the location is classified. The Army's premier academy is on Raithal, and I know there are others on Prefsbelt IV (speeeeeeeling), Anaxes, and Carida: but is the Imperial Naval Academy on one of these locations, or another (apparently it's not on Prefsbelt, at least)?
  7. DARTH_VRUC Jedi Master

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    About the fighter squadrons- do they fly in two/four planes in a flight, like the Luftwaffe, or three like the Allies/Red Army before World War 2?
    At the Battle of Yavin the rebels flew with three craft in a flight, but I think that was more because thay needed to cover the leader in the trench...
    TIE's, on the other hand, seem to allways fly in pair.
  8. Pelranius Force Ghost

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    I think it's probably like the UC system, it has a heck lot of campuses, though not all campuses are created equal, obviously.
  9. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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  10. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    Rebel squadrons are based normally on this pattern:
    2 fighters = wingpair (element)
    2 wing pairs = flight (4 fighters)
    3 flights = squadron
    3 squadrons = combat wing
    2 combat wings = full wing

    Exceptions: Battle of Yavin, where flights were 3 fighters. These flights were not in any sort of order numerically, but set up either before hand or arbitrarily (Gold 1,2,5, Red 2,3,5, ect.) Also, in NJO, squadrons seemed to shift to the pattern of 4 shield trios per squadron.
  11. Pelranius Force Ghost

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    Well, Mediatators are Battlecruisers, and the Vong destroyers might mass as much (some of them) but since Vong ships on the whole are usually bulkier, the Mediatator would probably be longer.

    Speaking of the shape of the hull, would it be better for shielding efficiency to use a lone, lean hull, or a bulky, curving "cucumber" style hull? (You can probably mount more armor and reactors in the latter, I believe)
  12. Sinrebirth SWC and EUC Forum Moderator

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    It was a Vong Warship analog, I recall, equivalent to an ISD, assumedly Advanced ISD.

    Which still blew up a Battlecruiser and took everything an ISD II lobbed at it....

    Curiously, the Warship had a "mirror-finish" hull....
  13. EvilleJedi Jedi Master

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    mirror finish might be the pearly pink/red cruiser which is 2km+ I'd put all the vong vessels at + in their category, a warship would need an ISD + escorts to defeat etc.
  14. President_Sharky Jedi Master

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    The NJO sourcebook heavily implies that the ship the Mediator-class battlecruiser faced off against in Hero's Trial was one of the Vong's Uro-Ik V'alh battleships, which measure some 2,240 meters. The tech details for the ship appear in the section dedicated to HT and the Battle of Ord Mantell. This would thus put the Mediator's lower length at 2,241 meters, as the battlecruiser is described as being "larger" than the Vong battleship.
  15. Pelranius Force Ghost

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    It just gets better and better...

    Perhaps the Mediator could be a modernized version of the MC types, approaching the Home One in the amount of tonnage?
  16. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Oh, it certainly is. I just wanted to know where the top university, the Imperial Naval Academy, was located. I'd speculate it was Anaxes, but who knows?
  17. Pelranius Force Ghost

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    Given the Imperial State's penchant for being aristocratic friendly, it's probably Anaxes.

    Carida might be analoguous to the Citadel, if Anaxes is Saint Cyr, Sandhurst or West Point.
  18. Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Master

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    Thought Carida was one of the more famous Military Academies where all the aristocratic brats went like Marko Spince?
  19. Excellence Jedi Grand Master

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    I'd like to see the current fleet flag called Home Two [face_love]
  20. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    Unfortunately, Home Two was the second ship destroyed by the death star at Endor... [face_whistling]

    Right now my personal count of Home One-class ships at the Battle of Endor is 4. Home One, Independance (likely Ackbar's personal ship referred to in TaB until he transferred his flag to H1 for BoE and beyond... seen as a Home One type in X-Wing PC), the cruiser Madine commanded (not Ackbar's ship, since it is fully crewed by humans, and not destroyed by Death Star, possible Defiance Which is given a Home One type appearance by the CCG, though it has stats closer to a conventional cruiser), and the second cruiser destroyed by the DSII.



    Carida seems more of a school for Stormtroopers than anything else, though some Fleet cadets train there too.
  21. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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    It seems that WotC is designing a Starships game: (from an interview with WotC designer Rob Watkins)
    H: Can you tell us how many sets are planned, like do you have a contract for? How long can we expect the game to last?

    R: Right now, I have five projects on my schedule. We have the AT-AT, then the Endor pack, then we have Champions of the Force, and the Bounty Hunters. Then we have the Starship Game, which will be a separate game. And that's a big question mark, because I don't know how much time that's taking, so I don't know what's coming after it.


    (H= Host, R= Rob Watkins)

    So it sounds like we may be getting a starship game. If its going to be similar to the current minis game, it will have stat cards with an image and stats, with the actual starship being a small prepainted plastic model (think Micromachines). Its unclear whether there will be capital ships, though.

    *Imagines having models of E-wings and TIE Defenders battling each other*

    =P~

  22. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    I'd love to see a Fleet game with the same design ethic as Pirates personally. I've gotten into it, and it is quite fun :D
  23. Fingolfin_Noldor Jedi Master

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    You mean like Freelancer? Hmm.. well, will be fun. :p
  24. Slash78 Force Ghost

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    It's about god-damned time!!!!!!!
  25. JimRaynor55 Force Ghost

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    Speaking of the New Class pics, has anyone found any quotes about shared hulls in the novels to refute that garbage? If shared hulls only exist on the author's private FAQ, then I'm afraid we might have to accept those abominations as canon.[face_sick]
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