Lit New to Star Wars Literature? What to Read?Where to Start? What's That Mean? Questions Answered Here!

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Master_Keralys, Jun 4, 2008.

  1. _Catherine_ Chosen One

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    The TPM and AOTC novelizations aren't really anything like Stover's. There are a few extra scenes, but very little additional insight into character motivations or what's happening in the plot. TPM isn't too bad but Salvatore's AOTC is painfully dull. Really the only parts of it I can recommend are the additional Jango/Boba scenes. So basically I would read Darth Plagueis before bothering with either of them.

    As for the OT novelizations, ANH isn't bad but it's more interesting from a historical perspective than anything. The ESB novelization is pretty dull and forgettable, it's basically a direct transcription of the screenplay, although it does include a few deleted scenes like Yoda training Luke to use his lightsaber. I really, really love James Kahn's ROTJ, though. It's nothing like Stover's ROTS, but of all five other novelizations, I think it comes the closest. Kahn doesn't quite make the story his own like Stover does, and there are a few questionable parts, like how all of Chewie's and Artoo's lines are spelled out phonetically, but all the Death Star scenes are written really beautifully and I appreciate how seriously Kahn treats the story despite the movie's disappointingly silly and lighthearted tone. Highly recommended.
  2. Surfcaster Jedi Youngling

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    Once again, I'm glad I asked! I might just pass on TPM...it seems the local library's copy is lost, and it doesn't sound like it's worth purchasing it! I may check out AOTC and just skim for the additional scenes. I had wondered about the OT novelizations, but hadn't thought about them too much, but I might look into ROTJ.

    So I'll pick up Darth Plagueis this evening.

    While we're discussing books from this period, there are three other books I'd be interested in your perspective on...Cloak of Deception, Shatterpoint and Labyrinth of Evil. Since Shatterpoint is also written by Stover, I'm guessing it's good?? Cloak of Deception and Labyrinth of Evil seem to have some mixed reviews on Amazon.
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  3. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    Shatterpoint's pretty damn awesome, and it takes some inspiration for its story from Apocalypse Now, as well as Apocalypse Now's inspiration, Heart of Darkness. Mace Windu is all sorts of awesome in it.

    Cloak is heavy on politics, but it's presented in a very understandable way, making it more of a political thriller with some Jedi action thrown in the mix. It's a great book for Qui-Gon (actually it's the only book where he's a main character, other than young reader novels) as well as Palpatine. Labyrinth is by the same author as Cloak and Plagueis, and it's a great lead-in to Stover's version of ROTS. In fact, I'd suggest you pick up the Dark Lord trilogy, which contains Labyrinth, ROTS, as well as Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader (also by Luceno). The three books flow really well together, even though Dark Lord focuses more on secondary Jedi than Vader, but that doesn't mean he doesn't get much focus. Dark Lord was also the first place we really got to learn about Plagueis, through a few choice quotes of his, most of which eventually made it into his book proper.

    Basically, I liked Cloak and Labyrinth a lot, but I do know they're not the most popular books out there. Shatterpoint, however, is pretty universally praised.
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  4. _Catherine_ Chosen One

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    Yeah they're all excellent, you can't go wrong with Stover or Luceno.
  5. Random Comments Force Ghost

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    I actually really liked the TPM one, but I like Brooks in general. And Darth Plagueis...was just amazing.
  6. madmanslitany Force Ghost

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    I've recently returned to the EU after having been alienated from it by the NJO. I read Yoda: Dark Rendezvous while on a flight the other day, having picked it based on some of the other threads floating around the Literature board. I didn't think it was perfect, but I did like the exploration of Dooku and Yoda's personalities, and Scout and Malreaux came across pretty well for what they were.

    I'm on another six hour flight at the end of this business trip in three days, so I might need another novel to read on the plane. Would Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor be a good pick? I didn't like the NJO, and from everything I've researched on Wookieepedia, I would hate the LOTF/FOTJ books. Plus, I don't have time to read a massive series, so stand alone novels would be good. I was also considering picking up Mercy Kill thanks to fond memories of Starfighters of Adumar as well as the rest of the X-wing series (and the X-wing games themselves back in the day), but I don't see it mentioned as a must-have around here.
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  7. HWK-290 Jedi Master

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    Yes, Shadows of Mindor is great. Stover manages to nail the original trilogy characters - barring maybe Lando - while still making you question, every other page, how the heck are they getting out of this one?

    Mercy Kill was good but not great. More nostalgic throwback than excellence in its own right. I still enjoyed it.


    EDIT: Mindor also has a Hobbie and Janson scene. Mercy Kill has no Hobbie and Janson scene. ;)
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  8. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    They're both great fun, really. Mindor is pretty pulpy, since Stover specifically wanted to harken back to the days of Brian Daley. Mercy Kill is a great spy/commando thriller, with plenty of Allston's trademark humor thrown in the mix. And the good thing about it is that you needn't have read FOTJ or any X-Wing to understand what's going on, but it would help if you've read the other Wraith books.

    So it depends on your taste. Pulpy throwback adventures or intelligence operative hijinks. I'll put it this way- both have Wedge Antilles flying around in an X-Wing being awesome.
  9. mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master

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    if some of the EU is safe after Episode VII, VIII and IX, i'll try to read some of them but for right now i'm sticking to the novels i enjoy namely The Thrawn Trilogy, Truce at Bakura and Shadows of the Empire.
  10. Vespasian Jedi Grand Master

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    I have decided to read some of the post-RotJ books as well, but this time I'm doing it chronologically.

    So far I've read:
    - Truce at Bakura
    - Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
    - X-Wing: Rogue Squadron
    - X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble

    I'm planning to finish the whole X-Wing series, then I'll move to The Courtship of Princess Leia, Tatooine Ghost and finally The Thrawn Trilogy. I suspect the EU becomes less and less safe after Thrawn (I mean due to Episode VII), so I'm not going to move on.

    Clone Ysanne Isard? And then Clone Thrawn? Let's not forget about the Clone Emperor either from Dark Empire! Will warlord Zsinj get a clone too? Or Tarkin? Maybe those Yuhzan-Vong or however you write their name, maybe they have a clone army too.

    So no, thank you.

    Instead, I'm thinking about going to the Prequel Era: as a kid I used love the Jedi Apprentice series (or the first six that I used to own), so I'll start with those. I hope I'll enjoy them again after some 12-13 years!
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  11. timmoishere Force Ghost

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    Honestly, clones of old villains isn't all that common of an occurrence. There are no clones of Zsinj, Tarkin or the Vong, so no worries there.

    And there's honestly no reason not to read the later EU. Even if Episode 7 does mess up the chronology, they're still a bunch of enjoyable stories.
  12. sons_of_anakin_tatooine Force Ghost

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  13. thank you for this. im going to order the 20th edition of heir to the empire
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  15. Pax Bandica Jedi Knight

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    If anyone wants to read all the books and short stories in chronological order, I put together this timeline - http://www.resolution507.com/sw/timeline.html

    I'm about 55 books in and fix it as I go along. Wookieepedia is kind of off these days so there are some minor differences.

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  16. Mårten Jedi Youngling

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    Started to play X-wing miniature game which made me wanna dig deeper into the world of Star Wars.
    I just wanna make sure I got an updated list and reading in the correct order.
    As far as I can see, if you wanna read in chronological order you start with:
    Dan of the Jedi: Into the Void (ISBN: 9780345541932) by Tim Lebbon

    The only thing is, the ISBN I can get hold of says 300 pages, while there is another with 320. Don't know if it's just a mistake or something.

    These are the lists I found:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_books
    http://www.yodasdatapad.com/booklist.html

    EDIT: Wow, looked at the post above, and there it was, thanks Pax
    EDIT2: Seems that the longer one includes the short story
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  17. _Catherine_ Chosen One

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    Good timeline! A few questions since I haven't read most of these stories:

    1) Shouldn't "Darkness Shared" go before POD and BotS, since it's a pre-Ruusan story?

    2) Isn't "Pax Empirica" supposed to be closer to ANH? I know it has the Wookiee invasion thing but it also calls Tarkin a Grand Moff and establishes that like half the stormtroopers are non-Fett clones grown with-non Kaminoan technology, and none of those things seem to fit so soon after ROTS. Couldn't the Empire have just gone back to Kashyyyk later?

    3) Doesn't the Hutt character in "Hunting the Gorach" die in Scourge, meaning the short story would have to come first?

    4) I remember there being a lot of continuity issues between A Practical Man and the NJO. IIIRC APM is supposed to end between VP and DT, but Traviss totally messed up the timeline of the invasion so it has to last a lot longer. I think the ERC put it between AoC and BP, but not sure if that's based on anything.
  18. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    He just falls into the depths of Nar Shaddaa, given that his suit actually has repulsor coils and insanely well made, as well as "the Hunter" just being one tough son of a Hutt, he properly survived that. The Essential Reader companion also lists it after Scourge, so looks like it really is meant to take place just after that novel.
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  19. Pax Bandica Jedi Knight

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    1. You're absolutely right. I just changed that last week, and I have no idea why lol

    2. I know Pax Empirica was originally supposed to take place closer to ANH but I bumped it up since it's about the Invasion of Kashyyyk in Dark Lord. Reading the story there are definitely some inconsistencies, but without a clear date I didn't know where else to put it.

    3. About half the stuff after Episode 4 is based on Wookieepedia. I'm fixing things as I read but I haven't made it that far yet.

    4. I also haven't read A Practical Man but I thought I heard it was supposed to take place throughout one or two of the novels.

    The latest changes I've made (that differ from Wookieepedia) are that I changed the Lando Calrissian Adventures to coincide with The Hutt Gambit, since all three books take place in the middle of it. Wookieepedia has them listed 2 to 3 years later, but it just doesn't work. In the Mindharp of Sharu, Lando wins Vuffi Raa and in The Hutt Gambit about halfway through Lando already has Vuffi. I also fixed the dates of the Alex Winger short stories, which the Essential Readers Companion changed for no apparent reason.

    I appreciate the help Catherine!

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  20. Pax Bandica Jedi Knight

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    The Essential Readers Companion has a lot of small errors. I really wish Wookieepedia hadn't changed years of peoples' hard work to match it.

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  21. Zeta1127 Force Ghost

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    TERC is an attempt to justify osik because no one could tell Lucas that TCW was a disrespectful attack on the EU and Denning that the post-NJO was a disrespectful attack on everything the NJO stood for. Such bad ideas can't be undone since TCW was Lucas, and he can do no wrong, and everything is canon so the post-NJO isn't very likely to be undone and redone properly anytime soon, with the ST being the only I see of cleaning up that disaster.
  22. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    Eh, so do most of the source books and guide books. It's just a bit more obvious in the ERC because it's much more segmented than most guides, and therefore easier to find mistakes. Same with the Complete SW Encyclopedia. Stuff like Warfare or the Atlas seem more mistake-free because they're presented in a broader fashion.
  23. mattman8907 Jedi Grand Master

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    i personally don't know which version of The Clone Wars to follow. should i follow the tv series or the comics that were part of the Star Wars Republic Series and the books that had "a Clone wars Novel" written on them?
  24. timmoishere Force Ghost

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    Anything that was released prior to the abomination known as Ahsoka is good to read (apart from Jedi Trial [face_sick]). The later stuff that was based on the TV show isn't very good at all.
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  25. gezvader28 Force Ghost

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    where do we discuss non-fiction like the upcoming Making of Return of the Jedi book ?
  26. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Just make a thread for the book :)
  27. gezvader28 Force Ghost

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    in this forum ?

    just wanted to be sure cos this looked like a fiction forum.