Discussion in 'Oceania Discussion Boards' started by morgan-aleghieri, Sep 26, 2006.
Whoa. *takes off hat*
Anyone here the rubbish about sensorship the federal government is spewing?
ISP based filtering?
Watch that expand to P2P and the like...
The government to start stealin' our internetz
I told you all Rudd was an evil communist
Please, that's the Diet Coke of Evil
I haven't got a problem with the theory of this. However, I can't think of any examples where this sort of Government action doesn't cause a huge bottle neck and slow the country's internet right down.
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MD, I don't have a problem with the idea in principle if they were going to filter something useful - like illegal stuff. But most of the discussion has been centred on porn. Not kiddie porn, not bomb making. Good old fashioned porn, the kind you can get from your newsagency.
The "we don't want our kids looking at porn" party has some valid points, but seem to miss the fact that their kiddies can walk into a local newsagency and pick up the latest playboy.
Unless they want to make acquiring and enjoying porn or <insert other legal to-be-sensored topic here> illegal, then as far as I am concerned this move is a subjugation of civil liberties and a slide back to the dark ages.
Don't even get me started on the technical issues that would plague the operation.
All in all it is comparable to copy protection - they won't be making it any harder for the sickos/weirdos/determined kids to get what they want, they will just be making it annoying as hell for law-abiding citizens to access content they have every right to access.
Not sure what sort of porn your newsagent has Loz but it's not the same level that I can/have viewed on the internet. Not being antagonistic, but it's hardly the same thing.
I'm in agreement with regulations that help kids, and even every day people with no desire to see this stuff, from stumbling across, or curiously wading into fairly extreme violence or sex.
I'm also in agreement with parents having greater control over what their kid is accessing, having their own filters, etc etc. But me, I'm no internet genius, and it'd be nice to know my son will have to really work to find some decent porn at a time when he really wants to, and not stumble across extroadinary acts of violence by accident.
But my point of view is skewed by parenthood and internet speed not bothering me too much.
Censorship has always been something I was aginst, in the extreme when I was younger. so perhaps I've mellowed too much. Always believed that people have the right once adults to subject themselves to whatever they choose. Guess I still do, unless it's impacting negatively on the people/society around them, and lowering what we call humanity.
But then if I had my way I'd make it much more dificult for people to enjoy games and movies that create challenge/enjoyment out of death and violence. So evil communists all the way.
Kahlan, I respect your right as a parent to want some form of higher order control put on such things but here is the point:
1) You don't just stumble accross porn sites on the web. You may stumble across individual pictures... I can still remember that aweful picture, which by my definition doesn't constitute porn anyway, on a gaming site - posted by goodness knows who. But you cannot block that sort of thing. That's why boards have mods, to remove inappropriate content. But porn sites, you don't stumble across those sorts of things. (I'm serious! In well over 10 years of net addiction I never have.) You either have to know where to look, or you were gullible enough to believe you'd won a million dollars and clicked on that banner (which is actually more likely to be a malware site than porn) and why on earth weren't you running a pop-up blocker/firewall in the first place???
So you actually HAVE TO LOOK for what you are after. If young kids are googling porn, their parents need to be reported to family services. If older kids are googling porn (how old are we talking, 13?) Come on, yeah internet porn is far from tasteful but if they really want it censorship (omg I think I've been using sensor all this time...) is not going to stop them.
2) Violent video games and movies are available. Sure they have ratings guides but I can't count the number of times a kid of 10 has manage to pick up a game or movie rated MA or R and bought it across the counter or had a parent pay for it. Hello parently responsibility!!!
3) There is a little thing called nanny net that provides filtering for your home PC. If you are worried about kids viewing it on other PCs, filter school PCs and library PCs (most are already anyway), block the internet function on their phones, and make it a crimminal charge for irresponsible parents to subject OTHER kids to unfiltered internet.
The THEORY, as I said, I have NO PROBLEM WITH IT.
The PRACTICALITY and the MOTIVATION I do.
I'm against seriously graphic violence in movies and games, I just don't think it is necessary, and liberal depiction of rape and sodemy and torture often seems to me to give the impression of ligitimacy to the audience - a fact I really HATE. So very few movies do any of these three subjects justice. But these are ILLEGAL acts, which is at least partially where my disgust for poor depiction probably comes.
There is nothing LEGALLY wrong with porn. It takes all sorts, and they are within their rights to have access to some of the really weird (but legal) things that people put on the net. If you censor porn across the entire population it's akin to censoring sex. It's sending a message that sex is "bad". What's going to be next? Are we going to slide backwards to a society where men can roam around at will? Where women should be in the kitchen and pregnant with their 5th brat?
I worry more about censorship than the abortion debate because there isn't a clear divide between one side and the other. Where does it stop? Especially since the government has put ZERO thought into other solutions that will be MORE effective than a nationwide ISP filter and will not encroach on the rights of legally responsible adults.
When it comes to most things the government does, I'm stuck thinking that they're just making it look as if they are doing something that seems constructive. Watching government departments trying to "fix" things gives me a headache. I still worry about keeping my job from one of the last things they tried to fix.
"Senator Conroy says anyone wanting uncensored access to the internet will have to opt out of the service."
Hmm... something about that gives me the creeps.
I shouldn't read news articles before my first coffee of the day, I thought it was more a crackdown on illegal/immoral content rather than the legal stuff. That makes things much more interesting.
We all know why the Government is doing this; it makes them look proactive on this issue to the people who cry out, "Won't somebody think of the children?. Since we've got a Government that's already fairly proactive despite the fact we're still in the honeymoon period, you have to wonder, why bother? Was this an election policy? Cos I don't remember hearing about it.
My views on censorship are similar to Loz's, so I won't repeat them here.
Will they implement highspeed broadband around the country before they implement this plan?
And yes Loz, you were using "sensorship"; I think that has something to do with Federation starships not picking up broadcasts of Klingon Boxing or somesuch
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Hey, I have an excuse, I deal with sensors all the time...
Back on topic. My reading of it is that it is a "crack-down-on-whatever-we-feel-like" filter. The talking point at the moment though is plain, boring (albiet occassionally weird) porn. Not bomb making, or drug recipies, or even kiddie porn.
Sir Edmund Hillary died today.
Goob leaves the boards for a walkabout...
Rat-eating plant discovered in Cape York
Obviously, its not long 'til we get to this point.
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It might be a Krynoid, Magnus, don't forget that possibility. The more rats it eats, the bigger it grows, and then, well...
I have too much power: Immigration Minister
Government with a social conscience? Have I woken up in another reality similiar to but different to my own again??
Still waiting for the Honeymoon Period to be over with this Government and Kevin Rudd to proclaim himself our Dark Lord & Master, but stuff like this tells me it's a long way off.
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Fidel Castro retires
Actually I was waiting for Julia Gillard to do that... You know the whole Sith apprentice kills master thing...
Goldfish short term memory - debunked!
...although I can see it staying in urban legend. One news story does not reach everyone...nor change the written word.
I read it, but then I forgot what it said.
Who are all you people?
Why am I making awful jokes?
Awww no BBN
"I have short term memory loss. It runs in the family. Well... at least I think it does. ... Where are they? ... Can I help you?" - Dory
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