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Discussion in 'Attack of the Clones' started by jasman, May 10, 2002.

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  1. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Sounds ok to me.
     
  2. Teta040

    Teta040 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    OK..gotcha. But here is a bit of a philosophical question, from someone who has been on the baord about 2 weeks. (LONG time lurker though. I do hope TFN is kind to Forum younglings.)

    Due to the fact that I am an adamant film music buff (see my posts on the Across the Stars" CD single in the Music thread--I raise the issue of airplay of soundtracks)I took a tape recorder in with me to record the film, to get ALL of the score, as I feared that some of the best best music would not be on the CD. (MY fears were confirmed--GL _massacred_ the score, on the CD, I mean.) And truth be told, I did want to be able to relive the film, until the video came out, so I did it for that reason too. (I also did this for TPM and Fellowship of the Ring. Was blown away by Howard Shore's score for that film, as previously you could charitably call him the Brian Eno of film music. How he came up with those powerful and haunting melodies, he must have been touched by the Divine Finger. Stuff like Track 17, "The Breaking of the Felowship" STILL breaks my heart.)

    Now, I have made free copies of LOTR forfriends, and I have one friend who wants me to copy AOTC for her. This is OK isn't it?

    And while we are at it, shoukd the bootlegging of movies be handled any differently than that of music? Record companies like to crack down on piracy (esp the Net--the whole Napster thing) ostensibly in the inerest of the artist, but the fact is, they can't get the artists to enlist publicly to help them fight against any Net file sharing co b/c they rightfully see the record compaiies as hypocritess-denyine the ownership of their musc to artists and stealing 95 percent of the profits.

    In this scenario, GL has every bit as abnormal of a situation as U2 has--they own ALL of their master copies (unlike practically anyone else), and GL only "leases" his films out to the studios; he uses his own money, makes the films, and gets the lion's share of the revenue. The studios are thus partners and not the Masters to his slavery, while he does all the work. They handle the marketing only.
     
  3. YodaJeff

    YodaJeff Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    only_2 and Teta040
    No. You can't. You paid $10 to see and hear the movie ONCE. You legally can't use that same movie ticket and go in to see the film again. You purchased the right to watch the film ONCE. Now, when it is out on DVD, and you purchase it, you have the legal right to watch that DVD as many times as you want. There are rules going into public display, but that shouldn't concern you. I believe that it is OK to have a backup copy of the DVD, incase something goes wrong, but I'm not 100% positive.

    Even an audio recording of the film is illegal, and is considered a bootleg.
     
  4. TheYodaPagoda

    TheYodaPagoda Jedi Master star 3

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    Can anyone remember the days when the only way we could see films was *in* the theater? It's only in the past 16-17 years that video enabled us not only to view movies in our homes, but also let us 'buy' the movie forever.
    The thought that by purchasing a ticket for $10, enabling you to get a 'backup' (which is your euphemism for bootleg) doesn't wash. If you want to get a 'backup' wait for it to come out on video or DVD.
    If anyone comes up with locations for bootlegs, they will be banned from this forum permanently.
     
  5. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Would a backup copy be ok once the movie's box office numbers surpasses the cost of the movie?
     
  6. YodaJeff

    YodaJeff Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    No. A "backup copy" would not be ok, regardless of how much the movie makes. If it is making a lot of money, it is because it is a successful film. That isn't a reason to take money out of their pockets.
     
  7. Wookies-N-Cream

    Wookies-N-Cream Jedi Youngling star 1

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    personally, i can't understand how someone could NOT find links to bootlegs..i've stumbled upon them accidently several times in several places (none of which i'll mention).
     
  8. Only_2

    Only_2 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I know YodaJeff, I just thought it was good fodder. I keep hearing ridiculous claims that 400,000 people downloaded EP II bootlegs, but I haven't the foggiest idea where. I'll admit I tried, just to see if I could, and I don't even know where to begin. I've heard all the names of sites with file sharing, but If I get a virus because I'm on everybodys list now...I will not surrender my PC to a virus because I tried to download an illegal copy of Episode II. Don't be stupid people, there are other consquences to stealing on the net besides breaking the law.
     
  9. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Man Yoda Jeff you sound like your making money off the deal.
     
  10. TheYodaPagoda

    TheYodaPagoda Jedi Master star 3

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    Man Yoda Jeff you sound like your making money off the deal.
    How can he make money off this? Get off this forum and look for your bootleg, Sammy-Wan.
     
  11. OverIguana

    OverIguana Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I dont consider it to be stealing if:

    A) I go to see it multiple times in the theatre (which I did, 3 times so far likely again)

    B)You plan on buying the DVD when it comes out ( I own 2 different boxsets of the OT, and TPM on VHS and DVD)

    ...just borrowing 'til novemeber or whatever.

    People who just download it and watch the $#!* version likely dont care much for it, and would probably not see it in the theatre either way.

    Please dont ban me :_|
     
  12. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm just dicussing the issue man. Take it easy, I dont't bootleg. Right on OverIguana
     
  13. YodaJeff

    YodaJeff Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A) I go to see it multiple times in the theatre (which I did, 3 times so far likely again)
    I've seen it 4 times, so far, in theaters. I seem to have missed the "If you see this move X times in a theater, you can legally download the bootleg" clause.

    B)You plan on buying the DVD when it comes out ( I own 2 different boxsets of the OT, and TPM on VHS and DVD)
    I also own 2 different boxsets of the OT, along with TPM on VHS and DVD. That means nothing when you're talking about AOTC. Yes, the majority of us plan on buying the DVD when it comes out. Until then, the only way to legally see it is in theaters. I'm pretty sure that your local theater still has the film, so that shouldn't be a problem.
     
  14. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Speaking of which how ehical is it for Georgey boy to say there will be no TPM on DvD and the release it 6 mo. later?? Same with the VHS OT.
     
  15. YodaJeff

    YodaJeff Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It was more like a year and a half later that the DVD came out. When the TPM VHS came out, they weren't planning on releasing a DVD yet.

    The OT won't be out on DVD until 2005.
     
  16. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    He knew what he was doing the whole time he is like Sidious whos only master is money. When was the last time he donated to charity? He's not exactly one of Oprah's Angels.
     
  17. Sebulba-Dug

    Sebulba-Dug Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Illegal or not. Who cares. Isn't that what the internet is for? Getting music, movies, games, software and porn for free?
     
  18. Sammy-Wan

    Sammy-Wan Jedi Youngling star 1

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    True. Thank you Al Gore.
     
  19. Sebulba-Dug

    Sebulba-Dug Jedi Youngling star 1

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  20. Only_2

    Only_2 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I have to admit, GL making us wait this long for a legitimate copy on DVD of the OT is beginning to bug me. IT's hard not to buy a bootleg.

    Hear me out: I have a 56inch Panasonic HDTV. TPM on DVD looks better in my house than it did in any theater I saw it in. Sounds better too. VHS and 56 inch HDTV's don't play nicely together, however. It's like, take the pixelation of an mpeg 1 video clip at 320x240 and blow it up to 56 inches wide. Awful, just plain awful. I want to watch the OT how George "meant it to be seen", he seems to love saying that when talking about his technological advances. Is VHS really how it was meant to be seen?

    I know, most of you are like - This guy is an idiot, bragging about his big TV, but that's not it. VHS is just unwatchable on a tv like this. George is a tease. He praises himself for exposing new technology which someone else developed and then sticks his trademark on it and makes everything else he's produced previously become obsolete. Is he hanging around with Bill Gates again?
     
  21. Wookies-N-Cream

    Wookies-N-Cream Jedi Youngling star 1

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    it looks better on the comp than on a tv (the bootleg)
     
  22. Gay-LenKenobi

    Gay-LenKenobi Jedi Knight star 5

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  23. entfirst

    entfirst Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I agree with the guy that says VHS is unwatchable. It is. My Special Edition of A New Hope is buggered. I watch my Digitally Remastered version, but call me a whore for technology, I want to watch the fuller version. The Special Edition is perfect, except the GREEDO SHOT FIRST THING.

    I would love it if George Lucas released the OT on DVD right now, with minimal extras. I need a good copy of them. VHS is crap.

    On the topic, bootlegs are seriously bad. Not only are they poor quality but the money from profits is most likely going to be spent on drugs one way or another. When you watch a bootleg copy of any film, it will tarnish your vision of the film. What happens if in a year you are happily watching AOTC on a legal DVD that is perfect quality and you come to the Jango/Kenobi fight. What if you think "oh, I remember repeatedly watching this on my bootleg copy, oh no that is horrible the picture was awful... blah blah blah". Instantly you get a bad feeling in your chest and you relise that you can't undo what you watched and your vision of a great film is ruined. I know this from one experience. I avoid watching the film now because of it even though I think its brilliant.

    I can understand why people do it. It is usually to see the film as quick as they can. Except if they see a crap bootleg before seeing it on the big screen, then they have completely destroyed the experience. You can only see a film for the first time once.

    Just wait for the LEGAL DVD. It will be out by the end of the year. I think someone said November. Thats great. I've seen AOTC 3 times and I'll probably see it another 2 or 3 times at the cinema. ;) :) ;) :)
     
  24. Vodstok

    Vodstok Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Nothing can touch seing it on the big screen. I have seen every Star Wars flick on the big screen, and I'm actually annoyed that I have to watch it on a tv now.
     
  25. entfirst

    entfirst Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

    I've seen the OT in the cinema 3 times each. The originals once and the Special Editions twice. TPM 5 times and AOTC 3 times.

    Thats depressing. I've only ventured out to the cinema to see a STAR WARS films 17 times. Oh well, guess I'll have to go again to see AOTC tomorrow. ;) :) ;) :) ;) :) ;) :)
     
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