"The US affects every nation on the planet, so anyone can have a beef with them." Nice notion, but those nations with which the US has been at war didn't have a beef with the US. "Where can you prove the US did at no time live up to the agreement negotiated under the Clinton Adminitsration prior to last October of 2002?" See Binary's post above. "Yep, they're a threat to everyone." As long as no-one gives them a reason to attack them, nothing will happen. But if the US continues to ignore N. Korea as a palpatable power in the region and doesn't respect them, theirs is the nation that will suffer. "And it's nothing I'd put past a nation with the madness level of that place." You're making judgements about a country that you've never visited or experienced in any way. Madness can be found in all things and all people, only the level of it varies. It's a little arrogant to claim that others are mad, and that you are sane. Who's to say that it isn't the other way around? Or that perhaps Bush isn't stable either? "Well fine, certainly someone in the Koreas is the victim. It certainly isn't the US. But the US isn't the insitgator here either. Undoubtedly it's NK." I think you missed the point. Korea the country has been the victim, and still is. It has been forcibly split into two, but when the North (under pressure from USSR and China I might add) invades the South, the United States stepped in because of the ideological foundation of the Cold War and it's political interests, not because they wanted to save South Korea's people. It's not that much different from the American Civil War, yet Americans refused to see it as such at the time. It didn't serve their purposes. The thing about North Korea now is that even if US forces were removed from South Korea and Okinawa, it is doubtful whether the North would actually invade. -South Korea's military itself is formidable (whilst N. Korea has old gear and are relatively poorly trained) -Lack of US presence in the region doesn't mean that they won't intervene after invasion. -North Korea does not have the allies that it had in 1950, the Soviet Union is no more and China is concentrating on its domestics problems (if anything, China will come down on N. Korea instead) It really isn't in N. Korea's interest to invade the South. And it certainly isn't in their interests to start a war with the US. How could a regime that tortures its own people in order to maintain power be expected to commit suicide by such an action? It's irrational logic. I personally think that North Korea is just trying to get attention from the US, and that threatening the US is essentially an expensive bluff to try and get a better deal at the negotiation table.