[NRW] National Retcon Week 2008 (6-12th April)

i'll take your word for it, but i'd still like to read the source some more (so maybe i can draw more from it).

 

That would be Droids, Technology, and the Force, on Hyperspace. If I can pimp out something of my own, I wrote the featured article for Cronal on Wookieepedia, if you're looking for any other details on him.

 

i'm not a hyperspace member.... my loss. i'm fairly familiar with your article. good stuff. just wish we could tie some loose ends together.

 

Live, damn you!! LIVE!!!!

 

well sinre.. i could do with something to read!

 

Responding to a month-old post, but I've been reading up on Vergere for some Wookieepedia stuff, and now that I have a better picture of what she's actually about I like this a lot. The Jedi/Sith conversation is particularly interesting that it's not a stretch; reading that passage with a slightly different mindset, it reads just like you say. She's trying to tell him about the Jedi and Hett's too busy yammering on about the Sith to pay attention, until she finally gives up and tells him he's on his own.

I don't think her association with Sidious needs to be a big lie either, though, since I think a lot of her philosophy could have been developed from Sith teachings, just with a...Jedi twist. That's probably a thread in and of itself, though.

The one point I was sticking on when rereading the comic (before I read your post here) was the "dark anger" line. I haven't read Traitor, so I didn't realize it was, as you say, "essentially no different from her torture of Jacen." She is OK with using pain and anger, then? That seems at odds with her bit (in the infamous "There is no dark side" passage) about how the dark side is letting the darkness within you out when you surrender to the Force, which isn't something she seems fond of.

 

Agreed. It's not a deception so much as a misdirection. It's clear, I think, that she had something to do with Sidious. What she doesn't tell Hett is that she became disenfranchised and left him after trying to kill him.

Was Vergere really against righteous anger and emotion?

 

I don't know. Like I said, I haven't read Traitor. Other than a few snippets, at any rate.

 

Nor me... but from those snippets, of Traitor, it appears as though Vegere is simply saying:

"There is nothing dark about the Force, it's just that using too much of it brings out the worst in you - it can only work with what's already there. The Jedi call this the dark side."

And that she's trying to create the "living Jedi dream" - someone who, because they meet everything "with love" (not passion) has no bad in them to bring out. Which would preclude them using anger and stuff. (But perhaps *not* emotions like love? I don't know.)

She's essentially trying to shape the knight who can sit in the Seat Perilous (which is the dark side/the Force Unleashed, in this case).

So, where she differs from Jedi Orthodoxy appears to be in her belief that, if a person truly extinguishes the small seeds of evil within themselves, they have nothing to fear from using the Force unbound (what the Jedi call the 'dark side' because of its tendency to take those seeds of evil and make them flower). That's not to say that they're allowed to do anything they want - why would a Jedi who meets the galaxy with "love" use lightning when they can end a person's existance much less painfully? - just that they can channel "extreme amounts of Force energy" without the fear of corruption... because there's no darkness within for the Force to bring out. At the same time, she knows she can't force anyone to take this road. She'll tell people what she knows, certainly, but she's also aware that she can't make them truly "listen" unless they've got a receptive mind.

Still, whilst I think Vegere is right in her description of what the dark side is (because, looking at it, she hasn't said there's no external element, just that the internal is what gives the external something to work with), I also get the feeling that she's painfully naive. The sort of "perfect Jedi" that she's trying to shape is not - in any way - sustainable.

 

Found it! Someone in the thread had mentioned that Zahn had made implications that Vader's suit - or at least his mask - was designed to emulate the Noghri, which wasn't really supported anywhere else.

 

If you're looking for a specific source about Zahn making those implications, it's in SWAJ#1:

 

Oh, way awesome, thanks!

So I figure if the NRW thread survives well into the dates originally set for it, we should be good.

 

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I'll raise your Ziro and see you a...

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Rotta, confused about gender issues, finds he likes to cross-dress and wear make-up, which embarrasses his father, resulting in his eventual disowning his son and claiming he has no children.

Rotta, taking on the pseudonym of Queen Jool, travels to Coruscant, claims Ziro's club for some time before eventually selling it and opening Rik's Cantina.

 

::checks watch::