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PT Obi-one= Anakin?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Skelter, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. Skelter

    Skelter Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I've heard theories as to how Obi-one bested Anakin on Mustafar, and most people agree that Anakin lost because he was to hot headed, and made a mistake. O.K., I can roll with that, but how does that explain Anakin not being able to over power Kenobi's force Push? This has buged me for years now. .
     
  2. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Master star 3

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  3. Narutakikun

    Narutakikun Jedi Knight star 4

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    If only Obi-two had been there instead, all this trouble could have been avoided.
     
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  4. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Master star 3

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    Obi-three would have sorted it out long before it got to Mustafar.
     
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  5. Darth_Kiryan

    Darth_Kiryan Jedi Master star 4

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    damn those defective clones
     
  6. Narutakikun

    Narutakikun Jedi Knight star 4

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    Before the prequels came out, I figured the Clone Wars had to deal with clones of the Jedi. I'd even speculated about one possibility in which Palpatine actually couldn't turn Anakin, so the real Anakin was stuck banished on some deserted planet somewhere, and the one who became Vader was actually a clone that was imperfect enough that he was more susceptible to being tempted by the dark side.

    It would make for quite a scene in sequels. Luke and Han arrive on a deserted planet and are greeted by a mysterious stranger...
    "I'm Han Solo... what's your name, old man?"

    "I'm Anakin Skywalker. Who are you guys?"
     
  7. Skelter

    Skelter Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Wow, way to derrail a topic!! Lol..
     
  8. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    That's what they do best!
    On topic: Yes, Obi-Wan is in fact Anakin. Star Wars is really a story about severe schizophrenia and this will be dealt with in the third trilogy.





    "Who're you?"
    /LM
     
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  9. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Yes, I agree that Anakin should have been able to overpower Kenobi.

    What makes it worse is Kenobi's face during the contest, he's straining, he's trying way too hard. That's not the way Jedi (should) do it, it would have been cooler visually if Kenobi calmed himself before they hit critical mass.
     
  10. King Terak

    King Terak Jedi Padawan star 1

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    It was those darn hot flashes.
     
  11. Valairy Scot

    Valairy Scot Backpacking One Pack a Day Mod of New Films star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, it WAS a hot planet.
     
  12. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This sounds like a plot of a David Fincher's movie ;)
     
  13. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    But if you think about it, even if he is a Jedi, he had to fight his former Padawan. He had to fight his friend. So on a more serious note, that is probably why he was straining. Not just because of the physical exertion from the duel but from emotional turmoil.

    Plus, Anakin totally became much more powerful because he embraced the dark side. He was the Chosen One, and already had significant power. But when he turned to the dark side he really became powerful. I do agree that Anakin should have won.

    However, if you look back at TPM, Obi Wan did almost the exact same thing that Anakin did. Obi cut Maul in half. Now Obi is on Mustafar and is in the same scenario that Maul was in, so he is getting ready for that same attack. That's why he tells Anakin not to try it. But Anakin does and Obi is expecting it so he can counter and bam Anakin loses 3 limbs
     
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  14. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Force Ghost star 7

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    Not enough butt rape.
     
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  15. Skelter

    Skelter Jedi Padawan star 1

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    Anakin was also struggling against KenobI. How does that make sense?? Kenobi should have lost that.
     
  16. Revenge of the Dak

    Revenge of the Dak Jedi Knight star 1

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  17. FARK2005

    FARK2005 Jedi Knight star 2

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    I think it’s an excellent example of what sets a knight apart from a true master: Anakin may have been inherently stronger in the Force but Obi-Wan held a higher degree of mastery of the Force and that is what made him capable of withstanding Anakin’s Force push.

    And in the end it was Obi-Wan’s experience, skills, and ability to keep a cool head which allowed him to defeat Anakin.
     
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  18. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Or, Obi-Wan was simply smarter. To quote Obi-Wan from TCW, Anakin "is always thinking with his lightsaber" ;)
     
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  19. darthbarracuda

    darthbarracuda Jedi Knight star 3

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    Heh thanks :)
     
  20. Legacy Jedi Endordude

    Legacy Jedi Endordude Jedi Knight star 3

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    I agree with this, I think they are both the same when it comes to strengths, but when it comes to smarts and tactics, i'd say it's obi wan who is greater than anakin.
     
  21. Revenge of the Dak

    Revenge of the Dak Jedi Knight star 1

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    There is the line from ANH from Vader. "When we first met, I was but a learner, now I am the master".

    That has a little more meaning now too, imo.

    I think Obi-Wan was the better "force user" and is admitted by Vader with that one line.
     
  22. BoomBach

    BoomBach Jedi Youngling

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    Obi-wan vs Anakin is the animal kingdom story of the young buck vs the pack leader that's been around the block. And also note that Lucas has stated that the dark side is more powerful. So with Obi-wan straining it was probably more anger. Just like how in TPM he was getting slapped around by Maul but when he gave into anger after Que-Gon's death he gave into his anger and nearly beat Maul in a saber duel. (And later killed him)
     
  23. FatSmel

    FatSmel Jedi Knight star 3

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    Obi-Wan is superior at that time.

    Simple as that
     
  24. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    The question was how Anakin was not able to overpower Kenobi in the Force push contest. Since that contest ended in a stalemate, I don't see how Kenobi was simply superior in regards to the topic's question.
     
  25. -NaTaLie-

    -NaTaLie- Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well, Obi-Wan did try to teach him to "think". Clearly, it didn't work. So with Luke, he changed the strategy and was all about "feel". He realized that when it comes to the Skywalker males, using the Force is much easier for them than using their brains ;)