Obi-Wan-A Character Workshop: PT Obi and OT Obi: The Whole Package

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  1. PaddyJuan Force Ghost

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    dianethx, Ah, but LE then you can get him to take his clothes off....or write some other story about why his clothes are still on. Maybe he's fixing the plumbing or trying out his new lightsaber to see if it still shorts out under raining conditions or... If he's going into the shower without clothes, that's a lovely picture but where's the story f(except of course for Froggy's epic)??? LOL.

    plumbing? only if he wears overalls. I dont think I could take even Obi in too low slung jeans bending beneath the sink. sad, i know, but somehow, that gap in the back is just not terribly attractive.

    besides, think of the fun of stubborn obi doing katas in the rain.

    "Master, won't your saber short out?"

    "No my very young Padawan, I've put in the new water sealant I found."

    "Um Master? I think that was my chewing gum."

    ** Zzzsssttt!!!!! **

    "Pad-a-waaaaaaannnnnn!!!!!!!!"

    "Eep!"

  2. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    I'm starting to get worried. Is anybody going to be ready tomorrow or should I wait to put the thread up? Opinions? Thoughts? Questions? :)
  3. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    The thread is up for those with posts ready for the challenge! :)

    Obi-Challenge
  4. LuvEwan Jedi Master

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    I saw the thread up (Yay! :) ) and I was wondering if there were any length rules. I've started mine, but it's not half way done yet, and its already four pages long. [face_shocked]

    Edit: Didn't turn out as long as I thought, so I posted it. ;)
  5. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    No length rules! Can be as wordy or not, as you like! :)
  6. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    Quick reminder! The thread is up on the Saga boards for everyone to post their answers to the current challenge. I also encourage you all to stop, read and reply to those already up. There are some amazing vignettes up! It would be lovely to hear from some of the rest of you. :)

    I was watching the end of AOTC this morning and something kept bothering me so I decided to post it and see what your views are.

    Toward the end of the film, Obi Wan has to be aware of Anakin and Padme's feelings for one another. Why then does he allow Anakin to escort Padme back to Naboo? Did he know or suspect that they would act on those feelings?
  7. Padawan_Travina Jedi Master

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    Toward the end of the film, Obi Wan has to be aware of Anakin and Padme's feelings for one another. Why then does he allow Anakin to escort Padme back to Naboo? Did he know or suspect that they would act on those feelings?

    I think the reason for this is beacuse that he was hoping that Ani would act like a Jedi and ignore those feelings...Or maybe he knew that it was to late and something had already happened and he could not stop it.

    **goes in to hiding**
  8. Shaindl Force Ghost

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    OE, why do you do this on Friday afternoons when I'm about to say something contrary and won't be able to defend myself for a whole two days? :p

    Here's my two cents (which I think is going to get some people inflamed): why did he have to know about Anakin's feelings for Padme? I don't think Obi had a clue at that point. He could have been blind to Anakin's feelings for a whole bunch of reasons:

    -Anakin hid his feelings from his Master
    -willful blindness on Obi's part for a variety of reasons, such as he wanted to believe the best about his Padawan (i.e. Anakin couldn't possibly go against Jedi teachings) or it's so far out of Obi's knowledge base (the idea of loving someone) that he can't believe or understand how Anakin could have those feelings
    -The blindness of a parent to their child's feelings (my parents never knew when I was interested in someone)

    Personally, I think we'll see Obi be surprised about the relationship between Ani and Padme when he learns about it in Ep.III. But if he did know about Anakin's feelings, I think he would have sent him to Naboo as an escort to give Anakin a choice - either the Jedi or her. He likely hoped that Anakin would do the right thing and say his goodbyes, which we know he didn't.

    My two cents, at any rate. Others?

    Shaindl
  9. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    Well, if he was and is completely surprised by the relationship, then he is seriously dense! :eek: I say that because of the following.

    1) The conversations in the elevator and later on the balcony. Anakin clearly states his lasting interest and obsession with Padme. Not to mention the way he acts around her.

    2) In the novelization, Obi-Wan even has a vision of sorts about the two and tries to meditate in order to clearly see what is bothering him about the two.

    3) Anakin's reaction when she falls out of the transport. That was screaming something is up!

    I believe that Obi-Wan was fully aware of Anakin's feelings. Perhaps he took the approach that some parents do. They worry that prohibiting the relationship will only make it seem more tempting, therefore they allow it.

    Could he have made the decision that Anakin was an adult and he needed to allow him to make his own choice? I don't know for sure, but I think this was one of Obi-Wan's mistakes. :D
  10. Sheila Force Ghost

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    I too believe Obi-Wan knew of Anakin's feelings for Amidala and I found his attitude at the end of AOTC a little odd. He spends much of the first half of the movie worrying over Anakin. He admits his insecurities about him to both Panaka and Mace (who was of no help whatsoever :mad: ).

    In the end, he casually mentions that Anakin is escorting the Senator home. I felt that it was more of a matter of being overwhelmed and a shift in focus. So many Jedi were killed in the battle, suddenly the Republic has an army of clones, the Separatists have been completely exposed with their army of droids and Count Dooku has been revealed as a Sith.

    I felt that now instead of being so focused on Anakin and what he may be doing Obi-Wan was now more focused on the problem all the Jedi were facing and was probably being sucked into a more prominent role now that so many had been killed. Amidala's security had been Anakin's mission and it remained such.

    I think this shift in focus as the Jedi become embroiled in the Clone Wars and see the threat as coming from the outside instead of within their own ranks may be what allows Anakin to fall very far before anyone can catch him.
  11. LuvEwan Jedi Master

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    I felt that it was more of a matter of being overwhelmed and a shift in focus. So many Jedi were killed in the battle, suddenly the Republic has an army of clones, the Separatists have been completely exposed with their army of droids and Count Dooku has been revealed as a Sith.

    Good point, Shiela.

    I think that Obi-Wan, despite his worries, has a genuine confidence in Anakin's abilities, and truly believes that he can handle temptations long enough to complete a simple task.

    I do think he is concerned for Anakin, as he was when Anakin and Padme departed for Naboo, but in the end, he must allow his apprentice to know that he does trust him, and doesn't try to control him willingly.

    Just my opinion ;)
  12. Darth_Leia_6669 Jedi Master

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    The first time I saw the movie, I thought Obi-Wan had replied that Anakin was COURTING Padme on Naboo! :eek: I spent the months between seeing the movie in the theater and the release of the DVD wondering why they seemed so unconcerned by this! [face_blush] It's ok, I got it now! ;)

    But even escourting her back having such little response seemed suspicious. But I will have to go with the theories that Obi-Wan was A) preoccupied with the war, B) trusted that Anakin would make the right decision, and C) wanted to turn a blind eye unless the situation blew open. He didn't want to think that the man that he'd raised from a child would turn his back on the Jedi, so he trusted Anakin until proven wrong. But I do believe that he had an idea of the situation.

    In fact, here's a thought. Perhaps he believed that Padme would keep him on the right path. I'm thinking the scene where Padme falls from the transport. "What would Padme do were she in your position?" "She would do her duty." He may be thinking that Padme's sense of duty would prevent her from going too far, thereby keeping Anakin in check. I don't know. It's late, and I'm tired. [face_sigh]

    I did seriously think about doing a story for the challenge, but DRL is keeping me from it. Maybe I'll be in better shape for the next one.

    --later--
  13. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    Perhaps he believed that Padme would keep him on the right path. I'm thinking the scene where Padme falls from the transport. "What would Padme do were she in your position?" "She would do her duty." He may be thinking that Padme's sense of duty would prevent her from going too far, thereby keeping Anakin in check.

    Good theory DL! I hadn't even considered that. :) I don't think it is a matter of him trusting Anakin, not after that scene on the transport. It was obvious the kid wasn't thinking with his... Well you know! :D

    I plan to let the current challenge run for at least two to three weeks, so plenty of time to get something up! ;)
  14. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    :_| My thread has puttered out! Where is everyone?
  15. dianethx Jedi Grand Master

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    Everyone's on vacation or just getting back....

    As for Obi-Wan's seeming lack of interest about Anakin and Padme's return to Naboo, it appeared to me that he was turning a deliberate blind eye to the whole situation. He seemed much more interested in the larger picture at the end. In the beginning, he could focus on Anakin's obsessions because it was relatively quiet for the Jedi at the moment. Then the whole thing exploded and he had bigger issues to face than one wayward Padawan. Never mind that the small things may turn the tide in the end....

    As for the challenge, I'd love to but I've thought and thought and have come up with ....nothing (other than the obvious rock scenerio - which has been done to death). Am having major WB. However, the other stories were marvelous. I'll go over there later and make comments about each one...
  16. LuvEwan Jedi Master

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    Any idea can be original when a writer puts their own unique twists in it, diane. Anything from you would be much appreciated, I'm sure! :)

  17. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    I agree LE! :) If you want any ideas just PM me Diane. I had several that I didnt go with, maybe one will inspire you. ;)
  18. Darth_Leia_6669 Jedi Master

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    Has everyone forgotten about this thread? Say it isn't so! If you haven't chimed in on the new discussion, please join! We can't let this fall again!

    --later--
  19. Happy_Hobbit_Padawan Force Ghost

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    I've always wondered about that scene in AOTC, too. Some of my thoughts have already been touched on by those above, but I'll say 'em anyway. ;)

    I do think that Obi-Wan was aware and concerned about Anakin's feelings toward Padme in the beginning of the film: the scene in the elevator and the "be mindful of your thoughts" scene show that he knows how Anakin feels, and doesn't approve. He also didn't want Anakin to go on the mission by himself, as he told Yoda, not only because of his arrogance but also because of Padme (although he doesn't mention that to Yoda, hmmm).

    Later, Obi-Wan learns that Anakin disobeyed him by going to Tatooine, and I'm pretty sure that he saw Anakin and Padme kiss in the Geonosis arena (but I've never been 100% sure of that). So, when they are chasing after Dooku in the transport, Obi-Wan knows what he's up against. But at the end of that scene, I think he feels that he's managed to get Anakin to be clear-headed about Padme, and feels that the padawan has resolved his issues with her vs. being a Jedi. Because of Anakin's impatience during the duel with Dooku, Obi-Wan might think that Anakin's problem no longer lies with his feelings for Padme but his impulsiveness, among other things. So that might be why he lets Anakin escort her back to Naboo; he believes it won't be a problem.

    But I'm not sure if Obi-Wan truly believes that or it's just wishful thinking on his part. The idea that he's preoccupied with all the death at Geonosis and the beginning of the war is a good point (well actually, doesn't he at first think that the war's over - a 'victory' - until Yoda corrects him?). Maybe he just feels sorry for Anakin, getting electrocuted and having his arm chopped off and being beaten by an old man in a lightsaber duel - and lets him scamper off to Naboo with a pretty girl to make him feel better. Perhaps Obi-Wan wasn't thinking clearly himself; his own arm and leg probably hurt (and he was probably thinking to himself, 'Sheesh, I was able to beat a Sith 10 years ago, and look at me now, what has happened to my abilities?). 8-}

    All right. I think I've rambled enough. Eh, the real reason is that George Lucas just needed a plot device to get Anakin and Padme alone to marry and Obi-Wan's reasoning got a bit shorted because of it. 8-}

  20. PaddyJuan Force Ghost

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    Eh, the real reason is that George Lucas just needed a plot device to get Anakin and Padme alone to marry and Obi-Wan's reasoning got a bit shorted because of it.

    Yeah! From a certain point of view, of course.....


    lol.
  21. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    The idea that he's preoccupied with all the death at Geonosis and the beginning of the war is a good point (well actually, doesn't he at first think that the war's over - a 'victory' - until Yoda corrects him?). Maybe he just feels sorry for Anakin, getting electrocuted and having his arm chopped off and being beaten by an old man in a lightsaber duel - and lets him scamper off to Naboo with a pretty girl to make him feel better. Perhaps Obi-Wan wasn't thinking clearly himself; his own arm and leg probably hurt (and he was probably thinking to himself, 'Sheesh, I was able to beat a Sith 10 years ago, and look at me now, what has happened to my abilities?).

    Good one pointing out that at the time he sends them off, he believes the battle was over! As for the rest.. [face_laugh]
  22. Shaindl Force Ghost

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    I think HHP nailed the issue cleanly. GL has been known to throw reason out the window when it suits his purposes. :D
  23. JadeSolo Manager Emeritus

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    GL has been known to throw reason out the window when it suits his purposes

    Oh, you mean like how Obi-Wan was put out of the fight with just a couple of little burns to his arm and leg? George, please, we know Obi-Wan's 10 years older, but sheesh, he's not a geezer! All those delightful katas that RED puts him through keep him in great shape! [face_love]

    I have a lot to say about the current discussion, but first I must go put the whites in the dryer :)
  24. Shaindl Force Ghost

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    Yep, Jade, just like that:

    POKE

    Obi-Wan: Ooh, my leg.

    POKE

    Obi-Wan: Ooh, my arm.

    Yoda and Dooku fight.

    Obi-Wan: I think I'll lie here and let Master Yoda take care of everything. And I think I'll let that pillar fall on me and my Padawan without even trying to do anything about it, and make Yoda give up on his fight with Dooku and let him get away.


    You know, if we go by this reasoning, it's all Yoda's fault. He should have let them be squashed and captured Dooku instead. :D

    Shaindl
  25. obi_ew Force Ghost

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    [face_laugh] I thought I was the only one really ticked off by that whole fight scene!

    Age 25, Obi-Wan fights a Sith apprentice in his prime and fights brilliantly, killing him! Ten years later, said Jedi looks slow and weak, while an ancient old crusty Sith wipes the floor with him! My question is, in Episode 3 will he suddenly be agile and powerful again in order to beat Anakin? :p

    Obi-Wan Kenobi has selective fighting skills! [face_laugh]
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