Obi-Wan actually DID end up being reckless!

I've seen this debate before: Was Obi-Wan really reckless, or is this just a "gaping plot hole" (people like to throw that around a little too much, methinks)?

Well, it's nice that we can finally say, he IS reckless, maybe some of us (I say some because I realize others have been aware of this for some time) just took a little longer to see it.

TPM: He's pretty strait-laced, but when Qui-Gon gets cut down, he just bolts for revenge. A little reckless.

AOTC: Jumps out of a skyscraper window without thinking of the consequences.
Engages in a fight with Jango Fett that he was totally unprepared for.

ROTS: Jumping down into hundreds of droid soldiers and General Grievous' body guard to challenge them.

Are there any others that I missed?

Are some ofyou still not convinced that he was shown as reckless enough?

 

Sure he was a little reckless, but he could back it up with serious ass-kicking fun.

 

TPM: He's pretty strait-laced, but when Qui-Gon gets cut down, he just bolts for revenge. A little reckless.

Eh, not really. What else was he going to do? Hang around in the corridor? Run from Maul? He knew Maul was an amazingly powerful opponent, and, now that Qui-Gon was gone, he would have to give his all to defeat him. Him "rushing" in to battle just signifies that. There's nothing reckless about it; there's no other planning, etc. that he could have done. He knew his only option was to kick Maul's ass, and he did that.

AOTC: Jumps out of a skyscraper window without thinking of the consequences.

Hardly reckless; it was smart. He knew that was the best way to track down the bounty hunter...to end the danger to Padme, and he went for it. Just because he had to make the decision quickless, doesn't necessarily mean it was a stupid/reckless move.

Engages in a fight with Jango Fett that he was totally unprepared for.

What was he going to do? Let Jango go? He had orders to bring Jango in. Since Jango was departing, there wasn't any time for planning. Obi-Wan could either engage him, or let him escape and fail his mission. He made the choice to at least try to stop Jango.

In closing everything you listed is just ordinary decisions someone makes in battle. In moments where you have little time to react or strategize. That's vastly different from, for instance, Anakin rushing in to engage Dooku, or something of that nature.

 

i agree with u on the RotS point, but he definitely killed Darth Maul using his passion and hate, as said in other forums obi showed us just a tiny flash of dark in him, but he was still young so i give him the benefit of the doubt.

in aotc, it was a little reckless to jump out that window, but not reckless to fight jango, like u said he had orders to bring jango in.

it may seem reckless jumping down to grievous in RotS, but remember, he stood up on that ledge for a while in deep thought ie. stroking his beard. he had to have known the risks and dangers of his actions.

i still think it was reckless jumping down there but im a big fan of obi in the PT so i gotta try n defend mi boy.

 

Skyhopper, you failed to discuss jumping into the middle of a small but very much armed army of driods.
Also he said he would train Anakin without the council's permission while not physically reckless i the immediate future it is reckless decision making.
He also decided he an Anakin could take on Dooku alone even when Padme suggested help. They were not ordered to follow him. It was an individual decsion he made. Had they waited Yoda then things may have been different. Someone always has to try and stir stuff up.

 

I always assumed that when he said he was reckless, when Yoda trained him, it was when he was a Padawan, since that would have been when Yoda trained him. He's not reckless in the PT. Maybe a little impatient, in TPM, but that's it.

 

Against the wishes of more expereinced Jedi, he insisted on training Anakin. That was kinda reckless.

 

ROTS: During the duel with Dooku, he went after the two SBD's, leaving Anakin... alone.

Does he not remember his own, "we'll take him together" thing from just minutes before?

Does he have THAT much faith that Anakin will be able to win against Dooku all by himself?

Probably not. So the only verdict I can give is:

HE WAS RECKLESS!!! lol

 

Skyhopper, you failed to discuss jumping into the middle of a small but very much armed army of driods.

Yeah, that'd be because I haven't seen ROTS, so thusly, I can't comment on it.

 

Obi Wan has always had reckless moments...not to mention 25+ years of his young life that we never see or are given any information on.

People who claim it's a gaping plot hole are just individuals proving they have no effing clue what a "plot hole" really is.

 

I must admit, I thought Obi-Wan was never reckless until I watched ROTS and his actions proved otherwise. The most noteworthy is by far him jumping into the middle of those droids and facing Grievous alone.

 

When he jumped down on the General in RTOS. He is a cocky dude. He was even smiling.

He is like Jerry Rice, or other great player that showboat, or talk smack. It is fine if you can back it up.

Obi-Wan can back it up.

 

The Grievous think was reckless but I also liked that dialogue.

Anakin: I sense Dooku.
Obi: I sense a trap.
Anakin: Next move?
Obi: Spread the trap. (Smiles).

That says a lot.

 

Even if the entire footage shown in the PT of Obi Wan didn't show a hint of recklessness, it still wouldn't be a plot hole. The reckless behavior Obi Wan is refering to is when he wasa child youngling under the personal instruction of Yoda.

I think when Lucas planned out his PT, he wanted to ensure that the OT would still be fresh when watching in chronological order. So just because something is said in the OT about someone's past or perspective doesn't mean it needs to be in the footage of the PT. In fact from a story driven perspective the information in the OT should by all rites show us something NEW; not reaffirm what we already know from the PT. Prequel and Sequel are really misleading terms when it comes to Star Wars.

 

Even if the entire footage shown in the PT of Obi Wan didn't show a hint of recklessness, it still wouldn't be a plot hole. The reckless behavior Obi Wan is refering to is when he wasa child youngling under the personal instruction of Yoda.

That's all I can figure. He seemed couragous, not wreckless, in the films.

 

not sure if its recklessness, but obi-wan and anakin are constantly relating stories of their adventures and they always seem to involve getting out of a tight spot or falling into a sticky situation.
are we to believe every mission is like this?
if so, then it is reckless just rushing into variuos situations like they do.

 

I agree the question of whether or not Obi Wan was reckless "...if you remember" is not a serious plot hole but it would seem to be a tiny one.

Sure we can identify possible individual incidences of reckless behaviour by Obi Wan in the PT but even these are debatable. His general demeanour is of a cautious and considerate Jedi. He's clearly more careful than Anakim and in TPM he even appears to be more cautious than his master Qai-Gon. His main claim to "recklessness" main be in agreeing to train Anakim to begin with and believing Anakim could be as great a swordsman (light-sabreman?) as Yoda. The former can be explained as honouring the wishes of his dying master (hence perhaps not a reckless decision), the later is the best candidate. Perhaps we are meant to believe Obi Wan's reckless behaviour occurs outside the films but to me that would be a bit of a cop out!

 

I think it was pretty reckless of him in the first place to try to go on a mission to spy on Grievous while using a lizard mount that's screaming to high heaven every other second. That's like wearing a shirt that says:

"You don't know me.

US Witness Protection Program"

He had to know he was going to get caught.

 

In TPM, he does the saber twirl a few too many times.

It has no useful purpose. It just looked cool on camera.

 

yeah its cool in ROTS when he and Vader do that twirl at the same time for a few seconds.

 

True. It does look good on film. That was awesome.

 

ofcourse hes wreckless but no ones perfect

 

When obi says in Aotc that anakin is to sure of himself yoda says yes and even the older more expirienced ones are: he says that rehtorically to obi meaning obi's to sure of himself all the time. i also think that when obi says he was reckless he meant in the way he trained anakin, he was to sure of himself and that led to a big "reck" in the events of ROTS.

 

I think a more meaningful way to ask the question is; was Obi Wan particularly reckless compared to the rest of the Jedi in the PT?

On balance I would say "No".

Which ever Jedi was the proponent of the plan for Anakim to spy on Palpatine was being more reckless. They were using Anakim as a porn with out realising who they were playing chess with!