"Obi-wan has taught you well", Yoda gets shafted in this

Think about it, twice Vader says that and in the end Yoda is the one who taught him and trained him. We know that Vader/Anakin knows about Yoda, did he just assume he is dead???

 

Yes, I think so. Neither Palpatine nor Vader knew that Yoda was alive. And Vader saw Obi-Wan with Luke on the first Death Star, so he assumed Obi-Wan was the only one to train Luke.


At least, that's what I think!

 

I agree. They probably wrote Yoda off as he stayed hidden for so long and possibly Kenobi until he too reappeared.

 

Vader didn't know Yoda was still alive.

 

So Vader thought he was training by himself the time between ANH and ESB? Hmm...that would explain why he thought he would be easy to lure to the dark side since he, Luke, a novice, would've been guidlessly meddling in the Force.

 

EV Edit: I don't know if that is true or not, but either way no EP3 spoilers (NO MATTER HOW VAGUE) or even speculation. You want to speculate go to 3NSA, as myself and others don't know the difference between speculation and spoilers. Some speculation may be permitted, it all depends upon the content of speculation.

As a future note, anyone who spoils me for EP3 will be banned for a week. Well it is not just me, but if you post a spoiler in EP3 even on accident, you'll be gone for a week.

 

DarthLassic007, I take it that is sepeculation?

 

That sure as hell better of been speculation. I hope so, for your sake.

 

No spoiler. Just pure speculation on my part.

 

it seems odd to me that both the emporer and vader were in the dark about yoda being dead or alive with as powerful and strong with the force as yoda is supposed to be. even when he dies we hear thunder crack in the distance, giving us a sence of importance he had to the galaxy, could they not even feel that. ben was able to feel the folko die on alderaan so why could at least sid feel yoda gone. i am willing to understand that vader was a little groggy with ben on the falcon for theatrical effect and because dude is mostly circuts. but in the end obi-wan is always credited with being "the teacher" in other movies and in general sw discussion outside of the jukebox

 

Yoda would have to be presumed dead or else Vader and the Emperor would be searching for him, too. It doesn't make sense that they wouldn't say anything about him to Luke if they knew he was alive.

There isn't any evidence that Jedi can sense the death of an individual, even if they are another Jedi. Unless you're going by EU. Alderaan had several million people on it and the Millenium Falcon was heading for it at the time.

 

In the films, they probably had no clue Yoda taught Luke, much less he was alive. However, in the novel, it seems Palpatine has some idea. He said words to the effect of "Obi-Wan could not have been your only teacher, come now, who else has taught you the ways of the Force?" and Luke tries to block his thought unsuccessfully, then Palpatine says "...Yoda! Teach you, did he?"

Heh, so he did diss Yoda a little in the novel

 

Yes, in the ROTJ novel the Emperor became aware that Yoda had aided Luke. Fortunately, Yoda had already passed away. That would have been terrible if the old guy was sleeping in his tree trunk and 50 storm troopers and Vader showed up on Dagobah.

 

Before anh Vader presumed Obi was dead or long gone, as he said I feel I presence I haven't felt in a long time. He and Palps probally haven't felt either presence in between the 2 triologies. And as Sithman said, he saw Luke w/ Obi, but never w/ Yoda.

 

Of course, Vader could also have no idea how long Obi-Wan had to train Luke. He might have thought Kenobi had been secretly training him for quite a while, rather than the week (at best) he really had with Luke.

 

"There isn't any evidence that Jedi can sense the death of an individual, even if they are another Jedi. Unless you're going by EU. Alderaan had several million people on it and the Millenium Falcon was heading for it at the time. "

Ep IV ANH -- Vader senses Obi Wan and Luke's strength in the Force. Also the reason Alderran resonated was because it was millions of people, all the fauna on the planet, all of it made a ripple in the Force. Any Force sensitive would've felt it.

Ep V ESB -- Luke sense's Han and Leia while on Dagobah. Don't forget the telepathy between Vader/Luke and Luke/Leia. In order for that to work they had to be able to sense one another.

Ep VI ROTJ -- Luke sense's Vader while approaching the DSII while Vader is senseing Luke. In the throne room Vader all but reads Luke's mind about the other Skywalker.

EP I TPM -- Obi Wan could sense something vague in the Force, the Phantem Menace, Sidious, perhaps?

Ep II AOTC -- Anakin is senses Padme in her room not to mention Shmi and the pain she is feeling while in Tusken captivity.


Nope, no examples in the movies of Jedi sensing others. It's all EU.

 

thats funny, thanks man

 

I guess that nagging feeling I was missing something was right.

 

I would think that Vader wouldn't know that Yoda is still alive, or else he would have tried to kill him off.

 

Or maybe Vader knew he could not defeat Yoda

 

We'll see in '05...

 

I dont think Ep. III will waste time with that