PT Obi-Wan not killing unarmed enemies

Did anyone else notice in the scene where Obi-Wan is about to fight Grievous, the moment where he drops that vent on several guards... the last droid is clamouring for his weapon, and Obi-Wan seems to wait until the staff is activated to destroy it? I thought it could be a subtle nod to the Jedi Code, I'm pretty sure it has been said before.
Anakin on the other hand grows closer to the darkside when he kills the, quite literally, unarmed Dooku.

On another related subject, I see some intended contrast in the way the Seperatists are dealt with by Anakin pre and post turn. As Anakin and Obi-Wan take over the bridge of the Invisible Hand, notice as the Neimodians flee, the Jedi ignore them and destroy all the droids. A sharp contrast to Vaderkin later killing all the unarmed Seperatists in cold blood.

 

I think Obi-Wan was having fun taking his sweet time to finish off the droid. I think he would have done the same thing regardless of whether or not it picked up a weapon.

It's a droid, a very dangerous combat droid at that, I don't think the Code applies to them.

 

Agreed, droids aren't alive, so they probably wouldn't count. What about Clones though?

 

Clones should count, and every clone trooper we see Obi-Wan kill is definitely trying to kill him.

 

Well first of all, he crushed the droid with a 6 ton hunk of metal (what does the Jedi code say about that?) and at that point no longer considers it a threat. When it's still alive and fighting he kills it.

This could be an interesting thread of discussion -- are droids alive, or more saliently, are they sentient? In the SW universe, they certainly are. The entire story is told through the eyes of R2 and 3PO, and they certainly are sentient and have personalities. The viewer certainly is encouraged to consider them to be living things, although the universe they are in doesn't.

 

I think I agree with you guys that a droid isn't covered by the Jedi Code, actually.

R2 certainly seems alive to me. Luke and Anakin perceive him this way I think.
When R2 is shot, or 3PO blown to bits it certainly doesn't seem like they are an expendable object. Hmm

 

Well he is a master of Form III Soresu which is strictly a defensive form. So that maybe why. He would wait to see an opening before he makes his true counter move.


Then again he could be just playing with Grievous.

 

I disagree.

 

Anakin killed an unarmed prisoner. Dooku was defenseless and there was no danger for Anakin.
Obi-Wan on the other hand fighted against many droids and this particular droid was still dangerous.

 

That they are sentient or that the story is told through their eyes? Don't hold back, man, say what you mean.

 

Both.

I see no reason to discuss it though, there is literally nothing anyone can say about this subject that is any interest to me.

 

I don't think Obi Wan's view of 'expendable' is just to droids.
In Ep III Anakin was going to go help out Oddball and co, Obi Wan said leave them. Obi is just mission first, even regarding himself. he tells Anakin to leave him during the Battle of Coruscant.

I suppose in TCW his view is more 'extreme', it's just a droid, but based solely on the films he is just a no nonsense Jedi.

 

Hmm, I'm not a chess player, but that made me think of sacrificing your pawns to win. Obi-Wan did focus on the goal (saving the Chancellor's life for the "good of the Republic" even at the cost of Oddball's - and later on, his own - life, if necessary).

 

The entire story is told through their eyes. That includes events they weren't present to see due to being on other planets at the time.

 

The difference between Obi-Wan killing the droid and, say, Anakin killing Dooku was that most beings don't consider droids as valuable as organics.

Also, in the case of Anakin vs. Dooku, there was no way Dooku could have continued defending himself, and had indeed dropped to his knees in defeat. But before Obi-Wan killed the magna guard, the droid was still reaching for his weapon, ready to continue the fight.

 

Did anyone else notice in the scene where Obi-Wan is about to fight Grievous, the moment where he drops that vent on several guards... the last droid is clamouring for his weapon, and Obi-Wan seems to wait until the staff is activated to destroy it? I thought it could be a subtle nod to the Jedi Code, I'm pretty sure it has been said before.


And yet, he left Anakin to slowly burn to death on Mustafar. Hmmm . . . can't forget that.

 

The thread title is "Obi-Wan not killing unarmed enemies". Which is exactly what happened there too; he did not kill an unarmed enemy. He took Anakin out of the fight by cutting off his legs and arm. Once Anakin was lying there unarmed, Obi-Wan could only bring himself to leave Anakin's fate to the will of the Force. Mercy is irrelevant, he could not bring himself to kill Anakin directly, and he believed in the will of the Force. But to the point of this thread, he did not kill an unarmed opponent.

 

Well, you're entirely wrong on both counts (and one of them is straight from George Lucas's mouth -- look up the influence of "Seven Samurai").

 

This doesn't surprise me afterall in the duel between Obi-Wan, and Hett in EU Obi cut off his arm, and refused to kill him sparing his life. There is also another story when in his exile he refused to kill Tusken Raiders instead just stripping them of their clothing.