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***Official*** AOTC DVD Thread

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by DarthSapient, May 21, 2002.

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  1. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well for the forseeable future this will be the *only* AOTC DVD.

    It could be years before a Special Edition is even announced.

    Waiting forever for the "better" version means you never buy anything now. You're always waiting...

    As for me I'm getting BOTH versions of LOTR, and I'm a bit skint too ;)
     
  2. annakin_uk

    annakin_uk Jedi Youngling

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    Can't wait for EpII on DVD, I HAVE to own this film !!!!

    Will we ever get episodes 4-6 on DVD. Got the vids, but sooooooo want them on DVD's. Do you think we will have to wait for a huge boxset after EpIII is released ??
     
  3. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    Bib, I agree to an extent... But I'm not going to dump my money onto a DVD that will eventually be obsolete (I've done that enough as is; need I mention Blade Runner, Amadeus, or the Exorcist?). I'll get ATOC on video (at half the DVD price), and enjoy it the same way I continue to enjoy the OT. Until they're all on DVD, as a single-issue set (likely in 2006 or 2007), I'll be patient.

    As for owning both LOTR: FOTR versions, I'm with you. There's plenty that will be on the August release that won't be on the Extended release, and, obviously, vice versa. But I digress...
     
  4. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    Lucas has given no official word on the OT DVDs, but Rick M. has mentioned that there's no feasible way they will be produced before EpIII comes out. Anyway, it's already been stated that Lucas will be adding even more new scenes to the OT, as well as rumours that Williams may be re-composing some music, namely for ANH. Seems like he may want to add the Imperial March back into ANH, since it wasn't introduced until Empire. This all said, and the fact that Lucas is such a perfectionist in attaining his vision, I doubt we'll see the 'definitive' edition until well after 2005. My guess: it'll be pulled together in time for SW's 30th anniversary in 2007. We'll get all six films being run in theatres, and then have the six released as a definitive box set. But I don't know if Lucas can do all that in the two years after EpIII... we'll see.
     
  5. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Well if you're happy to watch AOTC on VHS for the next 5 years that's fine. I think you'd be in the minority though.

    By the 2006-2007 I hope VHS has died the death it has deserved since the advent of DVD.

    As for The Exorcist, I've kept my 25th Anniversary Edition. That "Version You Have Never Seen" (just another way of saying special edition) sounds dreadful.
     
  6. JORJ_CARDAS

    JORJ_CARDAS Jedi Padawan star 4

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    for all those interested on a release date publication follow this: http://www.comingsoon.net/dvd/nov02.php

     
  7. Ulic_Qel_Droma

    Ulic_Qel_Droma Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I heard that Lucas has allready done a lot of work on the DVD. And had been developing it during the making of AOTC I think it was a RM interview but I cant remember.
     
  8. bibfortuitous

    bibfortuitous Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Yeah, I think RM said that work on the DVD was started a few months ago.
     
  9. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    Like I implied above, with each release Lucas & Co. will be getting better at pulling together DVDs. Even with production having started, I would expect to see extras akin to those on TPM. I would not expect to see the various bits and bobs removed on the cutting room floor to be reincoporated. Than agin, as this was all filmed digitally, the process of remastering those scenes and re-inserting them may be a lot easier. Come to think of it, the mere fact this was produced on digital cameras should make the DVD production much much easier. Perhaps I'm wrong about all this, and I underestimate the DVD production team...
     
  10. DarthHutt

    DarthHutt Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Any more news on how many discs there will be in the AOTC DVD.
    The last I heard, there was going to be 2, just like TPM.
     
  11. BucMan55

    BucMan55 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    VHS may be dying out but the VHS mentality is surely living on. Bare-boned panned and scammed modified releases are replacing the anamorphic theatrical version releases that seemed so prevalent just a year and a half ago.

    And you'd shell out $15 for the VHS but not $19 for the DVD????


    As for AOTC, I just ask two things. Master the sound level at more normal levels(not so soft as on TPM - you have to increase the volume too much to get equal sound compared to other DVDs) and get rid of the horrid ringing and edge enhancement that plagued TPM. If they do that, I'll be a happy camper....

    But I think we'll get the opposite of what I want. Simply because what I want(a reference a/v presentation) would be reason enough for most to NOT buy the thing again....
     
  12. jedi-mind-trick

    jedi-mind-trick VIP star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I am completely excited for this DVD....I cannot wait to have a copy of this film for my very own. [face_love]

    And I do hope it includes some special features as the TPM DVD did.....those were wonderful! :D
     
  13. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    That would be my guess. No official word has come out, though I think two have been implied. If a good theatrical transfer is the goal, then all of disc 1 will contain the film (and odd bits like a THX optimiser and, possibly, audio commentary). Disc 2 would have the cut scenes, featurettes, making-of spots, trailers, &c. Oh, and likely a DVD-ROM element that will eventually yield special DVD owner-only EPIII web features, as TPM offered. This is my opinion, not anything I've heard officially.
     
  14. Saffsmale_uk

    Saffsmale_uk Jedi Youngling

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    Have we any idea yet which version of the film is going to be released on dvd being as there are two versions out there with different dialogue???""you take the one on the left, ill take the one on the right""/""just take a deep breath & consentrate"" as well as supposed other differences ive heard about???any ideas yet on which version we are gonna get to own???i certainly hope they put the following scenes back in 1.)the whole""dont call me annie""scene back in 2.)the conversation between yoda & mace about the sith 3.)the scene with obi-wan & the analysis droid sp-4 4.)the entire library scene between jocasta nu & obi-wan 5.)padmes family scene 6.)obi-wan getting attacked by the massiff 7.)conversation between padme & beru 8.)not too sure about the extended anakin confession scene & i think this in its entirety would weaken that scene 9.)the padme & dooku confrontation 10.)the trial scene 11.)& the whole yoda / dooku dual in its entirety. hmm cant see us getting all of that....cos we didnt get all the deleted scenes from TPM did we?& what makes you think it will be any different this time around???hmmm i just wonder what we will end up with & like i said what version of the film we will end up owning.....any thoughts???
     
  15. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    The edge-enchancement and halo effect problems seen on TPM were in a select few scenes, mostly being those taking place on Tatooine in bright light. These are problems that affect all DVDs, no matter how well-produced they are. It seems to be an issue with MPEG-2 compression, and is something we have to live with. For the majority of the public, they'll never notice these issues. Only us tech-nerds would ever really care about whether a transfer is reference or not (though I totally agree with your issues with TPM; I wish it had been a reference, but it came close).

    And I also agree with the 'VHS mentality' that was mentioned. There is a growing problem with consumers complaining about the 'black bars' of widescreen formats, who don't relise they're losing out in P&S formats. (I'll be laughing in ten years when high-definition television will become a norm and people complain about the black bars on the sides of their screens when they watch their old P&S transfers.)

    Films should be presented the way the director intended it to be seen. If this means that we watch a Kubrick film in the various odd aspect ratios he used, and not in anamorphic, then so be it. Likewise, since Lucas utilises ever centimetre of screen on a 2.35:1 aspect ratio, we should demand nothing less in terms of its mass-consumer home presentation. Then again, this is an argument for another place and time...
     
  16. BucMan55

    BucMan55 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Xerx:

    Unfortunately, not only will tech-nerds care but anyone who has a HDTV will care as well.

    I'm not sure if they show up on regular big screens because they still have scan lines on them. So they may not be getting the best possible presentation out of it. Not to mention the anamorphic enhancement(that most 4/3 TVs can't display)....

    And the TPM EE is most glaring on Tatooine and in high contrast scenes(it always is), but it's also very bad on Naboo. Not to mention, watch the deleted scenes that have been put back into the movie....Then watch them on disc two. It's like they used different transfers....

    All the video material on disc two is free from the EE that effects disc one. That's the problem....
     
  17. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    Don't forget Lucas' greatest strength is in his editing. Those scenes were likely removed for a good reason (most likely pacing or some esoteric reason only Lucas knows for now (need I mention the Bail Organa scenes from TPM)). I'd love to see all those scenes inserted back into the film, but I doubt Lucas would do that, at least not until a 'definitive' version were released in the future. Who am I to say, though? I'm not Lucas...

    Your guess is as good as mine as to what version we'll see on the DVD, honestly. Thoughts?

    EDIT: Good points there. I'll have to check those additional scenes, Buc, but as I am still watching these on an analogue screen, I know I am missing some of the high detail issues only observable on HDTV. I did notice some blur problems on a couple of the Naboo scenes, but I attributed these to my television and not to the DVD. If there is a consistency problem, then hopefully the ATOC producers can address these...
     
  18. son_of_the_tear

    son_of_the_tear Jedi Master star 5

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    Well, most probbaly, for the DVD, we will get the digital version, as it will follow suit with the direct digital to digital transfer as was done for Final Fantasy: TSW.

    As to whether which exchange we get in the arena, i hope it's the "You take the one...". I like that line better than the other.

    Now, I read in one of the Empire interviews in which Rick said that for the DVD, Lucas is working on it so that we will get the longer version of AOTC. That that is the great thing about the DVD format. So I hope Rick was telling the truth and we get some of those cut scenes back in, such as the trial and Dooku backstory and Lost 20.
     
  19. MadMardigan

    MadMardigan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    here's another thought...instead of releasing the DVD in November...how about a special theatrical re-release version that incorporates some of the cut scenes? Especially the tusken slaughter, longer sabre duels, opening Senate sequence with Padme and toned down C3PO.

    At least that's the DVD I want. Incorporating all the cut scenes in the DVD or theatrical re-release is a bad idea. Since many of them deserved to be cut. Especially Padme's family. Just from reading the script that brought the narrative to a grinding halt and was completely unnecessary.

    I have a feeling though that the DVD will be just as good as TPM and probably better. Lucas always tries topping himself (although not always successful IMHO). In DVD at least, Lucas is right about one thing..."More is More."

    On a sidenote. I'm sick and tired of having to rebuy DVD's after buying a Collector's Edition or some crap like that and then 6 months later a better version comes out. In the end this will affect DVD as a medium because I think people are becoming more aware that they're being f'ed. So let's hope Lucasfilm doesn't do this. Release the DVD in four different covers for all I care. Just don't make four different Special Editions like MIB.
     
  20. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    But that's what EBay's for, MadMardigan! Just kidding. Seriously, the multiple reissues of some DVDs is getting trying. It seems to be a problem most rampant in Region 1, though it plagues 2 and 4 as well. The problem is really twofold:

    1. Technology continues to improve as new DVD formats are constantly in the making (there are already two new, higher-capacity DVDs currently in testing). With more data, more infromation can be packed onto a disc, and so better transfers and more extras can be released for less money.

    2. The more important issue is commercialism. A number of studios will release a DVD of a recent release with little extra material and a less-than-desired transfer to get the DVD onto the market. Then, if there is enough demand exhibited, the studios will re-visit a DVD release and create a 'collector's,' 'special,' or 'director's' edition, because they know it's a sure bet. This, of course, is not a hard and fast rule; plenty of films are released as 'special editions' on their first round. Some even are released as special eiditions only for a limited time, like 'From Hell.' The reason all seems to stem from marketing and optimum money-making.

    Lucas, I'm afraid, may come back with a re-issue of TPM and ATOC in the future. It would be in keeping with his habits. Just recall, there have been three releases of the OT, and none of those have even occurred on DVD yet... At least he is honest enough to wait on releasing the OT, rather than make fans spend the money twice over when he releases 'definitive' editions in the future.
     
  21. tanhauser

    tanhauser Jedi Youngling

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    I have no problem with buying a bare-bones theatrical-version of a movie, even if I know a special edition will be coming out later. I love movies and I like the idea that I can collect different versions of a movie and study/compare their differences.

    About the AOTC DVD, I think it is pretty safe to assume that we can expect something along the lines of the TPM DVD. What I'd really like to see...

    1. A full documentary like the one on the TPM DVD, if possible by the same team (though I heard those guys are now working on something else). "The Beginning" is probably one of the best documentaries I've seen on DVD.

    2. A scene-specific audio commentary by Lucas, not edited like the one for TPM.

    3. I'm split on the deleted scenes. Lucas/Burtt really know their business and in my opinion AOTC is awesome as it stands. I don't think we need to have every little deleted scene reinserted. Perhaps enhance a few of the scenes which are already present in the movie.

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  22. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    My guess is that we'll see the various making-of spots available on the starwars.com web page. I hope we get a more comprehensive making-of/inverview feature as well, but it depends on how much time the DVD production team has and how much they can fit onto the DVD... And let's keep our collective fingers crossed about the Lucas commentary.
     
  23. Queenie Amidala

    Queenie Amidala Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I have no problem with buying a bare-bones theatrical-version of a movie, even if I know a special edition will be coming out later. I love movies and I like the idea that I can collect different versions of a movie and study/compare their differences.

    Nor do I have a problem with it. Well, when we're talking SW, of course. With anything else, I'm sick of it. It infuriates me when I purchase a DVD only to discover a Special or Ultimate Edition came out soon after. There is no reason for this garbage, and I have a feeling the general public will not stand for it too much longer.

    I am mixed about the November 26 release date of the AOTC DVD. On one hand, I absolutely love this film and cannot wait to have it for my own. On the other hand, I want it to be an excellent DVD, and I would like for them to take their time on it if that is what it takes.

    IMHO, we won't be disappointed by the AOTC DVD. TPM was proclaimed one of the best DVDs of all time. Even the people who hated the film rated the DVD as an A. I think George takes the fans to heart more than we realize. He's a perfectionist, and he's always trying to top himself. It is my opinion that he would want this DVD to top even TPM. And since we know how awesome that DVD is, I would wager we can expect even greater things from AOTC.

    I may be in the minority, but deleted scenes on DVDs is one of my favorite features. I was disappointed in the deleted scenes on TPM because of the deleted scenes I knew of that weren't added. Of course, I don't expect Lucas to add all of the AOTC deleted scenes (there are just too many), there are a handful I would be disappointed not to see:

    1) Padme's family
    2) Extended tusken confession scene
    3) Extended lightsaber duels
    4) The trial scene

    ...to name a few. I know we'll see some deleted scenes, I'm just curious to find out which ones will make it. And while I highly doubt they'll be re-incorporated into the film, that would be really sweet.
     
  24. DarthScully

    DarthScully Jedi Master star 4

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    sorry for digrssing but...


    As for owning both LOTR: FOTR versions, I'm with you. There's plenty that will be on the August release that won't be on the Extended release, and, obviously, vice versa. But I digress...

    XERX, correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i know the bonus stuff that you get in August is the same bonus stuff (and more) for the November version, that the only difference is that the November FOTR have the extra 30 mins deleted scens and more bonus stuff than the August version has; but whatever the August DVD has, the November DVD has it too plus more.this is from what ican recall from the original press releasesd on this matter. did they change it again?
     
  25. THE_XERX

    THE_XERX Jedi Youngling

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    Well, my understanding is that the August release will have different featurettes than the November 4-disc set. There has yet to be a 'final' list of extras for the Extended release, so anything that I have heard is rumour. There is, however, a final list of extras for the August Theatrical release... Let us not forget that the Extended release WILL NOT contain the original theatrical relase as well as the longer cut. That alone is a considerable difference between the versions. It depends on just how nuts you are when it comes to really caring about the differences between editions. I'm certifiably insane. There you have it....

    Ok, enough digression...
     
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