Discussion in 'EU Community' started by BultarSwan, Aug 2, 2004.
*agrees with Thok*
Very disturbing... Don't even was to think of that!
Oh come on GenOochy, you know I was joking..................or am I?
I was going to make a joke involving the phrase "finger-lickin' good", but I thought better of it.
White is not the worlds best color for camo, unless you are on hoth. Would the imperials had a better chance winning the war if their stormtrooper armor was not white?
It would depend on where they are fighting. If they do combat in spaceships and in buildings, then camouflage would not be of a big importance. If they were patrolling in the woodlands, jungles, desert or anywhere in nature, then they definitely would be less of a target if they can blend into their environment.
Yeah, I definitely think they could have more camo-conscious armor. They stuck out like sore thumbs on Endor. But for situations on ships and in cities, the white works just fine for me.
Agreed, in ships it really doesnt matter.
But honestly, Wearing white in a forest setting is like wearing a large Target on their forhead.
Trust me, i've been playing SW: Battlefront, the consensus is in.
StormCommandos and SwampTRoopers, to name a few, have camo armor. So do AquaTroops.
The elite legions at Endor were there for garrison duty, so they probably didn't see a need for camo. They also did not expect that the Rebel attack would have had any chance of success.
But other forms of stormtroopers do have camo.
Metallic White is a bad color anywhere, any time. Why? Because it is a solid and bright color. Even in cities a stormtrooper would stand out. The US Army and Marines are investing in urban camoflauge for its soldiers to better hide them when they travel through industrial cities. Camoflauge is always better than a solid color.
Another reason why Metallic White is bad is because it reflects light and can cause an enemy to spot a soldier from a distance based on sunlight reflecting off the armor. At night, white is very noticeable. Why else do you think safety officials urge you to wear white or bright reflective clothing when biking or walking in the streets at night? Drivers can see you better that way.
But unfortunately the Empire was going for the psychological effect rather than the safety of its troops. Stormtroopers are sometimes called "ghosts" because of their appearance and color. However, the Empire does understand that white is not always the best color to use. Their Stormcommandos are colored completely in a matte black.
However, the regular Army troops do wear cammies.
0verall, the best place for metallic white would be in arctic landscapes.
Mitth, you're too smart. Stop that.
White's not so bad.
For one, it was probably cheaper to produce than other colors, and it would be easier to make more of them- see as there were so many millions of stormies out there.
For another thing, perhaps white was designed to stand out. It could be that the military designers favored intimidation over camoflauge. There was no real reason to have camoflauged armor, because when it was designed the Empire had no opposition anyway. They wouldn't be fighting any large-scale battles against vast opposing forces. And even if that did happen, they could easily send in a few AT-ATs and clean the place out quickly. White probably served as a beacon of fear- it was a clear message- "We stand out, stay out of our way." Stormtroopers became more of a peacekeeping force than a true army.
And, finally, perhaps stormtrooper armor did have an element of camoflauge in mind. After all, most major battles during the Rebellion were fought in space, not on the ground. Stormies probably saw more action boarding space vessels than on the ground. If you look at the design of the Tantive IV's hallway at the beginning of ANH, the stormtroopers would blend right in to the bright white lights and interior.
The white was chosen for intimidation as CD suggested. A wave of white armoured shock troops, with crack discipline and training, and no sign of humanity at all was what the Emporer wanted, even when they were the first batches of Jango's clones for the Clone Wars.
This was was just another facet o of the Tarkin Doctrine, ruling through fear and intimidatio, just like the construction of thousands of ISDS, AT-AT walkers, Executor and later Eclipse clas SDs, and the seeming scores of superweapons, small and large.
But was it a good choice for camo? Only on Hoth. Other than that, it just made 'em easier targets.
Was it bad camo? Yes. Everywhere except snow enviornments. Even on a ship. White sticks out. Put a piece of paper on something metalic. After RotJ some troops moved to slate grey.
Did it cost them the war? Doubtful. Did it cost them troops and maybe the occasional battle. Definatly.
Alrighty, if no one else wishes to discuss the current topic, i shall close it in 12 hours from now.
Hey! WHere is the new topic?
'Coruscant has been presented as a city-covered planet, with only the peak of the tallest mountain peeking out. Was this the right thing to do? Why was it even done?'
It makes a certain amount of sense from an economic and governmental point of view. The galaxy is a huge place and it's probably far easier to run with some sort of central hub. But at same time, because is it one huge city, it no longer has resources to support itself and has to rely on imports for many things, putting the inhabitants in a precarious position. As a nature person, I find the whole idea distasteful, but the advantages obviously outweigh the disadvantages because the GFFA has been operating out of Coruscant for ages.
I don't think there was anything natural on Coruscant to begin with. It was so far out from its sun that the galaxy had to bring in Solar Satellites to warm up the surface enough in order for it to be inhabitable. Everything but its tallest mountain peak is artificial. The oceans, the islands, etc. I'm surprised that mountain even has snow. The heat on that planet has to be a constant warm tempature to prevent it from forming at all.
So since the mountain does have snow and everything is pretty much built up around it, shouldn't the buildings also be covered in snow? Does the planet even get a snow season?
Yes, but why did the whole planet get covered with buildings mitth. Coruscant has artifical weather machines....of course the rest of the planet won't get snow.
Most likely reason is as the population grew they needed to build more places to live. As commerce increased, they needed to build more businesses. Eventually they couldn't build outward so they had to build up. Im certain as another thousand years pass there will be another layer of buildings ontop of todays layer.
"Sir, the diameter of our planet has grown?"
"We are the same diameter as our sun."
Coruscant and the Core Worlds explains this quite well.
Coruscant is cold for a habitable world, there's no doubt about it. Still, she's far closer to her sun than Hoth is.
The sourcebook explains that they just ran out of room to build on, so they built up. Interestingly, Coruscant has a sister world, Metellos. While Coruscant built up, the latter built sideways. Coruscant was the one that gained the prestige, though, whilst Metellos is an industrial ball of cold metal.
See, Coruscant had the advantage of being situated right in the middle of nearly every trade route known to man (women and aliens too, but that spoils the saying).
But back to the original question, yes, I think it was needed.
Coruscant is the center of civilization. She's the capital of galactic culture and the center of urban development. As the epitome of civilization, she HAS to have nothing natural about her. To be civilized is to oppose what is natural. Thus, Coruscant is the ultimate embodiment of civilization.
Just like Yavin IV is the exact opposite--full of nature, and strong with the Force, too. And Naboo is nicely nestled in-between.
I wonder what they are going to do with post-YV Coruscant?
They said they were going to rebuild her.