Amph Official "Fantastic Four" Reboot(s) Thread

To be fair, Fantastic Four characters aren't any more inherently dull than Superman. The Reeve Superman was great because he was surrounded by interesting characters.

Not every superhero has to have the charisma of Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man or the likeability of Ruffalo's Bruce Banner. But if they're going to be old penny dull, then they have to be surrounded by fun sidekicks or fantastic villains.

The godlike pan-galactic, universe-spanning villains of the Marvel comic books are just too vastly vast in their vastness to be interesting.

 

The Galactus Saga / Herald of Galactus
The Trial of Reed Richards
Wild time-travel family escapades vs. Kang
Skrulls and Super-Skrull
Mole Man and the entire subterranean Earth saga.
Battle for Atlantis, with romantic triangle aspects.

And, not least of all...

DOOM

 

I fall asleep just trying to type out Galact.......;ajt mgggggggggggg

 

******' Fox.

Still, money is at the core of all things. Perhaps the transfer of FF and related characters is non-negotiable because Fox DID make the movie they needed to make (even if it's a lump of foul smelling **** that will never break even) in order to keep the franchise, as per the terms of whichever legal agreement was drawn up years ago. The only other thing Fox would be willing to offer is a generous $lice of dollar bill pie in exchange of merchandising rights for the TV shows and future X-Men movies.

Still...a denial at this point could also simply mean that neither studio wants to confirm ongoing negotiations. These are publicly traded companies after all. Such a deal could make significant waves internally and externally, and it's only prudent that things are kept under wraps until all parties are ready to make an official announcement.

Edit: dp4m, lad, you're wasting your time. Jabba there has no idea what you're talking about. Either he had no comic books growing up or is just one of those guys that never cared about them and is only aware of guys like Superman, Batman and Spider-Man. There are levels of dorkiness all around these boards, after all.

 

There was a rumor months ago that Disney got the rights to A New Hope from Fox. Perhaps this was the trade. Because let's be honest, Disney cares a heck of a lot more about Star Wars than they do the Fantastic Four. There's also the outside possibility that Ike did the deal to screw over Feige and the movie division. Highly unlikely of course, but who knows. My guess is Fox continues to ask too much and Marvel is willing to play the waiting game.

 

Which mean we may get the theatrical versions of the original trilogies on blu ray! I'll score that as I win if that's the case.

 

The FF (which is what we used to call Marvel's First Family) characters are not in any wise "dull". On the page in hundreds of comic book issues, they are vibrant, human, real-seeming people with depth and personality. I don't blame Jabbadabbado for thinking they're dull; none of the movies so far has managed to portray them accurately or with any degree of genuine pathos or joy. This doesn't mean it's impossible.

 

I definitely get a sense of the desire to get these characters right on screen. Hope you get to see that someday. Best bet is to hand them off for a Netflix original series.

 

All they have to do is skip the origin story. Oh, and make it awesome instead of sucky.

 

Fixed that for you.

A lot of people complained about what went on in TPM. They didn't understand it.

Loki was tasked with leading the Chitauri during an invasion of Earth, on behalf of Thanos and his lieutenant, the Other. Pretty simple.

Thanos allows Gammora to go out and steal the Power Gem for him, but she plans to double cross him to keep it out of both his and Roan the Accuser's hands. The former wants to appease Lady Death, the latter wants to destroy Xandar despite the truce between Xandar and the Kree that the Nova Corps are trying to enforce.

When done right, it offers a sense of wonder and adventure. We can go to fantastic worlds and universes. We can see the Negative Zone and the Microverse. We can see Celestial beings interacting with each other and alternate universes. All while seeing a quartet of heroes who are at heart a family. Ben and Johnny bicker like children. Reed and Sue are a couple struggling with a relationship where one takes the other for granted. We see the long term bond of friendship as Reed wants to restore Ben to normal, while Ben has to accept his lot in life and struggles with his anger towards his best friend. They're not just teammates, but family.

 

To this, I would just like to say "yep".

 

Honestly, if Marvel does get FF back, the Phase 4 villain should be Doom but the FF aren't in it.... until the last act of the climatic Phase 4 Avengers movie where the FF shows up full formed, kicks the bejesus outta Doom, shrugs like "hey, we were just over there" and, boyah, they're in the MCU.

 

Heh, yeah -- that would be terrific! You're on a roll today.

 

That would be horrible. You have...eight films...building it all up, a two film finale and randoms show up and win the end game? I suppose you'd like the idea if you cheer on deus ex machina...

 

all said and done total, according to Box Office Mojo of the Fantastic Four budget was 120 mil and ended up with:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticfour15.htm

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $56,117,548 33.4%
+ Foreign: $111,860,048 66.6%
= Worldwide: $167,977,596

(as a note, Force Awakens has already made 50 million in pre-ticket sales alone a month out)

 

I'm still bummed out that Fant4stic didn't turn out well, I was really hoping a dark and grounded version of the characters would work. I wouldn't mind the team, (instead of Ben) being militarized to start out. It's an interesting take and it might have been a way to distance themselves from the Jessica Alba F4 flicks, much Nolan did with his Dark Knight Trilogy.

I am going to watch this film one more time when it's available on cable or streaming. I would love to see some behind the scenes footage.

 

I know what you mean... but "grounded" and "dark" are not really descriptors that can be applied to a colorful group of splashy-powered superheroes. Batman is inherently "dark" in tone and origins, and "grounded" in the sense that he has no superpowers. The F4, not so much on either score. Rather than confusing realism with somber-ness, this movie should have striven to present a real, relatable world in which these fantastic things are happening. They didn't and lo and behold, the movie tanks.

 

I hear what you're saying.

I just bought into Josh Trank's vision of the film, which was revealed in interviews and various articles. Where the team didn't initially take their new powers as gifts but rather horrible effects from an experiment gone wrong. I wanted Trank's version of the characters to be captivating and thought provoking, almost like a modern take on Frankenstein.

I'm thinking Fox is keeping Fantastic Four and will probably make them lighter in tone for the next film. I just hope they give Ben some pants.

 

I agree -- it would have been damn interesting to see the Frankensteinian effects their powers might have had on their psyches, social lives, etc. The idea that they are now "monsters" as a result is intriguing. Somewhere there is a middle portion of this truncated film showing just that. Or maybe they never filmed it as written, I don't know. It would be great to see a director's cut one day, but I doubt that will happen given the lackluster box office.

 

'Fantastic Four 2' Is Officially Doomed

 

You wanted it, now here it is:

 

So guess it'll be changed to a reboot instead? They've got to make another one to keep the rights after all.

 

I really hate for another Fantastic Four reboot by Fox.

 

Unless Fox wants to play ball with Marvel/Disney, or flat-out just let the rights relapse (I would think that would be likelier than playing ball), they might make a Silver Surfer movie instead, which they sort of threatened to do years ago. Hold onto the rights, not calling the movie Fantastic Four, that could be the next tactic (I think them trying to make a movie outta the cosmic elements of FF is probably going to happen, moreso than just letting the rights lapse).