Live Action Official Live Action Series Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by fanboyskywalker, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Darth_Pevra Chosen One

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    I dunno. Why do people think this will be a rip-off of the godfather? Just because Rick compared it to it? It's normal in the showbusiness to name your inspirations, and every work is inspired by some other work. That doesn't mean it will be a blantant copy or not include something unique.

    I'm more worried about the focus on CGI. Weird priorities. People won't watch the series because of the best effects ever, on a tv screen it doesn't matter that much anyway, but for the story.
  2. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Indeed, many high effects series bite the dust. Many shows have been sunk because of their outrageous budgets that cannot possibly be offset because there's only so many viewers any one series can draw.

    Wanna know why reality television is so common? Because they're dirt cheap, making it very easy to make a profit. If the show is a complete bust, it's only a small loss. If it takes off, like say Jersey Shore, the profits are massive. Big effects, big budget shows are a huge risk, their potential for massive bust is high and their 'boom' isn't quite high enough to make it worth the risk.
  3. CaptainYossarian Force Ghost

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    I'm more worried about the focus on CGI. Weird priorities. People won't watch the series because of the best effects ever, on a tv screen it doesn't matter that much anyway, but for the story.


    It's not really weird - GL wants the series to be on a par with the films, and not compromise the style of SW for the sake of bringing it to TV. The point of having it on TV will be to take advantage of the medium by telling more stories over a longer period - but it seems GL feels that the style of it should not be any different than people are used to from SW.

    Now though we can also appreciate that his ambitions for the series are allied to other factors like reducing the overall cost of doing visual effects in films and TV, which is why the series is not going to be made for a while yet. If Lucas wanted to just make a 'Star Wars TV show' then he could easily do so - he's already got the scripts apparently - so it wouldn't be too hard to rewrite them a bit to make it feasible for a TV budget. But he doesn't want to do that because he doesn't want to compromise the look of Star Wars. So instead he is going to use the series as the impetus to improving effects technology and bringing the cost down.

    People might watch a show for the story and not the effects but an SW show would need to have that same scale as the films. And if GL and his people achieve their ambitions then the audience figures will matter less because the show won't have cost any more than any other comparable shows. And if new technology does become available in TV and films then it will be of benefit to many productions, and not just effects-heavy things like SW. Cheaper and easier CGI that looks good would benefit even 'normal' shows who would only use it occasionally.

    It seems like a lot of people wrongly assumed that the series was going to be going into production as soon as the project was announced - and that's despite the absence of any news regarding it. They might have been keeping it quite secret but like the films, surely there would have been more announcements and details about it if it was anywhere near to actually being made. So it was fairly obvious that it was still a way off when absolutely nothing more was said about it ? ie it was still being developed. And given Lucas?s recent comments we know that is because he is trying to do something different with it ? ie doing SW on TV rather than scaling it down. And that will be a great benefit to the whole industry if it means other films and TV shows can do more of what they want for less money ? it won?t mean every show has to be like Star Wars, but more shows will be able to take advantage of new technology and do things in ways that in the past would have been prohibitively expensive.

    So Lucas is insisting on doing more ? especially in terms of effects ? and taking his time because that is what it will take to drive the process forward to a new level. For the PT he insisted on doing more and challenging his team in order to bring more of what he wanted to the screen and make it possible for others to do those things later on. I also think though that although at the moment people are talking about the cost of the live action series, it may also economise in a lot of ways. If you look at the PT, although there might have been a whole load of visual effects and many new techniques used, but the budgets were seemingly considerably less than other films with a lot of CGI.
  4. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    I might have to go to Prague sometime, Czech out the filming site. :p

    Let the :oops:'s commence.
  5. Billy_Dee_Binks Force Ghost

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    Indeed. They all cost around $120 millions to make, while most summer blockbusters since 2006 cost between $200.000.000 - $300.000.000. The studios go less and less for "medium budget" films between $50.000.000 - $100.000.000. The number of movies made in Hollywood by them has decreased by a 1/3 to 1/2. A lot of movies that were financed 10-15 years ago probably wouldn't be made today. Quite sad what turns the industry has taken in the past decade.

    But Lucas predicted back in 2005 that this system would eventually collapse and the studios would go back to making big movies on smaller budgets. Maybe this will prove to be the truth within this decade. The technological advancement in digital filmmaking in the past decade alone was a HUGE leap in opportunity for independent filmmakers.
  6. wookieesniper Jedi Knight

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    :oops:



    Woah woah woah, are you telling me, that the Galactic Empire is being filmed in the Czech Republic ?

    Oh the jokes will never stop!
  7. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    LFL clearly needs to Czech their accuracy. :p
  8. MakingStarWars Force Ghost

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    What people don't realize is that CGI is way cheaper. You can see The Walking Dead effects reel here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvKlcJuW4Tg

    You can see $20,000 shots that turn into $1 million dollar shots for a few thousand dollars more. But they get the luxury of relying on existing architecture as a launching point for these complex shots. Star Wars, for the most part, doesn't have that luxury without staying focused on Tatooine but even then, when people find out it's a Star Wars production, prices tend to jump up exponentially.

    On top of that, I think the purpose of this is to try and make TV rival film in every way using the digital revolution.
  9. Darth_Gamek Jedi Grand Master

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    Meh, can't be bothered to Czech that video out. :p
  10. SithLordDarthRichie London CR

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    It's easier to film a series set in a real place like a city or an already-existing facility/building. But Star Wars is almost entirely set in space or on planets and places that have to be created digitally.

    The show will most likely have - various worlds, a bunch of aliens, starships, space battles, ground battles and goodness knows what else. Almost all of that stuff will be done with computer effects and if it is done to the same standard as the movies that will obviously be very expensive.
    The story is important of course, but as TCW shows you can have decent story and character development but also have big battles and grand locations. The LAS will be a lot more expensive to make than an animated series.

    TNG was $1million an episode (so I've heard it said anyway), but those effects are dated now and would not look good in a current sci-fi show. Top quality visual effects will be pricey unless cost can be lowered, which seems to be the aim before attempting to start production.
  11. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    Tatooine, Hoth, Endor, Yavin IV, Dagobah, Bespin, the Death Stars and the Millennium Falcon were all created digitally?

    I learn something new every day.

    They could very easily make a Star Wars television series using little to no digital effects and never leave Hollywood.
  12. JoleeBee Jedi Knight

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    Implying various worlds, a bunch of aliens, starships, space battles, ground battles and goodness knows what else will be in the Live Series.[face_laugh]
    They want it to be about crime world on Coruscant, not about the Rebellion.
  13. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    Tatooine, Hoth, Endor, Yavin IV, Dagobah why would any of these worlds appear in live-action:confused: besides they are earthlike and rather boring to see all the time...
  14. InterestingLurker Force Ghost

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    That would cost even more money. The reason why people don't use animatronics anymore is because it's too expensive. CGI is much easier and getting less expensive. Furthermore, non CGI is harder to pull off and it looks bad as well. Only problem is that CGI are getting more complexed and you need to find the right talent.
  15. CT-867-5309 Chosen One

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    I know I'm in the minority with this, but I think CGI looks bad. It gets worse every year. I can't remember the last time I saw good looking CGI.

    Imo, the best way to use CGI (when combined with live action) is a minimalist approach combined with other technologies and "movie magic".

    Given the choice, I always prefer real sets, real props, real characters, etc.

    CGI is never realistic because it doesn't exist in our universe, it only exists on a computer.

    CGI cannot be touched, heard, smelled or tasted. I can't visit Pandora, but I can visit Tatooine.
  16. JoleeBee Jedi Knight

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    Inception has really amazing CGI combined with real sets.
  17. ImNotAStarWarsFanboy Force Ghost

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    I think the problems arise when the set is over 50% CGI. Any less and it complements the real stuff, but over and it really does look awkward. I still think back to ROTS with the successive close-ups of Grievous and Obi Wan and how awkwardly obvious the CGI was.[face_sick]
  18. MakingStarWars Force Ghost

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    People are under looking the ramifications of imperialism. It is unlikely the Rebel Alliance just walked into a space store and started buying X-Wing fighters and Ion Canons. More than likely the black market, or crime families, were the ones that created those markets. This premise spiderwebs out.
  19. MakingStarWars Force Ghost

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    http://www.denofgeek.com/television/941379/exclusive_writer_for_star_wars_tv_show_revealed.html
  20. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    Most interesting... thanks for the find, JasonW!
  21. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    Get worse every year? please you know that's not true at all- it gets better all the time certainly- is it 'good enough' depends on our opinion and possibly even structure of our eyes and brain since it seems obvious some people have problems with CGI and some don't- it really can be physical difference in eyesight as well.....

    well At-At:s exists in our universe as teeny weeny models and they look like models shot in stopmotion- not like real big walkers..... unless you are able to turn "wow how cool this is"-mode on and imagine them as real things:p - and i'm glad i have that mode- with it i can buy most models and most CGI without hiccups and enjoy both techniques similarly- but i have also "I'm watching 'just the movie' and many things i see are fake" -mode when i can see how models or CGI both suck and are fakes- they look both unreal and are made up things with nothing real in them just tricks...... but i won't use that mode all the time it would make all movies impossible to watch and enjoy....

    Wow i thought movies cannot be touched, smelled or tasted anyway:p .... i have enough imagination to visit places that doesn't exist and while they may be created with CGI for the movie in my imagination they are not CGI at all..... maybe i'm lucky then too bad if you are unable to do the same since it makes movies fun no matter what techniques are used.....
  22. G-FETT Chosen One

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    Matthew Graham has been involved in writing some fantatsic television shows. If he is a calibre of writers they hired for the live action series, then it should certainly be well written if nothing else.
  23. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    That has nothing to do with realism. CGI is as realistic as a prop. Both have their limitations.

    I advise you to watch the documentary: "ILM: Creating the Impossible".
  24. Swashbucklingjedi Game Winner

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    It really seems certain people have special problems with CGI but because of some of the audience having probs - they hardly choose to do it the hard way- CGI is way cheaper and more comfortable for actors than shooting in the tunisian desert or norwegian glaciers- have you heard how much fun they had filming OT- yeah lots of fun but also lot's of infernal conditions and compared to that many actors prefer bluescreen- what can be done without CGI is done without CGI because it is usually easier but filming locations being around the world is not easy and not cheap...... it really is bad if all cannot enjoy CGI but i don't really have a problem....
    still too much CGI is not good either hopefully show is well balanced so even some episodes could be "good" even for CGI-haters.....

    has anyone actually said about the use of CGI in this show or is anyone just thinking so because GL usually likes it.... if shows costs very much could be that they have lots of props and sets actually and less CGI.... i imagine twi'leks for example would be women in bodypaint not CGI and hutts for example can look good or at least ok in CGI- ILM did great job with Davy Jones in Pirates of Caribbean i think and it is one of the best CGI-characters ever made- they managed to fool me since i didn't think he is CGI when i first saw POTC2:p

    Of course if you watch character knowing it's CG you may have more problems than just watching the movie.....
  25. QuangoFett Force Ghost

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    I think Lucasfilm could do TV visual effects better than most others because of two key assets:

    1. Industrial Light & Magic - their very own in-house department with more experience in this field than a number of other companies combined

    2. Lucasfilm Animation - the company which has perfected aesthetically-pleasing CGI, done to a budget and to a deadline, for a successful animated show over the course of at least four seasons

    Naturally, they could negate their own advantage if they're too ambitious with the visual effects. They could also shoot themselves in the foot if they alienate too many viewers with the actual content.