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Live Action Official Live Action Series Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by fanboyskywalker, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Six Jedi Knight

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    I vote you should stop being such a negative nancy. Its going to happen, its just a matter of time now.
    Last edited by Six, Jan 27, 2014
  2. Darth Valkyrus Jedi Master

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    You could always go watch IMPS The Relentless.

    We could start a betting pool on when (if?) chapter III is ever gonna come out.
  3. master joda Jedi Padawan

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    Sounds an awful lot like a show about a young Han Solo. If it's on HBO then it can detail his sexual exploits and rise through the smuggling ranks.

    Another thing that could be cool would be a show about who takes over the outer rim smuggling operations after Jabba dies. It would be sort of an interstellar, western version of Breaking Bad. They could be smuggling something along the lines of "spice" from Dune.
    Last edited by master joda, Jan 28, 2014
  4. Six Jedi Knight

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    Yeah I said that on the last page, they should do a show about the events after Jabbas death and the power struggle that happens. But I said it should be more like a Star Wars version of Game of Thrones rather than Breaking Bad.
    Last edited by Six, Jan 28, 2014
  5. Barriss_Coffee Force Ghost

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    Breaking Thrones? Game of Bad?

    Children of the Dune Sea?
  6. Darth Valkyrus Jedi Master

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  7. Trebor Sabreon LACWAC-y Mod of SWTV

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    Yes, and I've been arguing the same premise, too (only for a Boba Fett film, set post-ROTJ), since the first rumors of Disney-helmed stand-alones surfaced in 2012. As you noted, a power-vacuum will naturally have occurred since the death of Jabba and the events at Endor, and I know that a good many of us have thought about seeing those stories put on the screen.

    Rather than a movie centered on Boba just collecting bounties sometime between III and IV, or IV and VI, I think the more intriguing story for Fett could begin with his escape from the Sarlacc, and being thrown into a galaxy much changed. As a fan of Boba's, I'd love to see that struggle for power, with Fett emerging as the new underground kingpin.
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  8. master joda Jedi Padawan

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    yeah, I saw your post right after I replied.
  9. Six Jedi Knight

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    That sounds good and all, but I want Boba to be one of many viewpoints, rather than him being the central protagonist. Kind of like how GoT has the Starks, the Lannisters, the Baratheons, the Tyrells, etc.
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  10. bstnsx704 Jedi Knight

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    I've been thinking, I wonder how different the future of Star Wars would be if this show ever got off the ground?

    If it did happen (and didn't get canceled for budgetary reasons) then I doubt Lucas would have even wound up selling his company to Disney (meaning that we wouldn't have a Sequel Trilogy, spin-off films, or Rebels on the horizon). Instead, The Clone Wars would probably be winding down (on it's own, without being canceled) this year or the next and potentially setting up another animated series set at a different point in the timeline. We would have already seen Attack of the Clones and maybe Revenge of the Sith in 3D. And this show would have been underway for a few seasons with Lucas' direct involvement, filling in the gap between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. I would have loved to have seen this show brought to life, but with Rebels now being made and set in the same era it seems unlikely that Disney would go back to these old scripts and have two shows running concurrently set in the same time period, even if they are tonally and stylistically very different.

    Interesting thinking about how things could have been.
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  11. Trebor Sabreon LACWAC-y Mod of SWTV

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    Indeed, it is.

    As far as the scripts for Star Wars: Underworld, I suppose there's the chance that some could be reworked for use in Rebels (and incidentally, I've wondered if some of the proposed storylines for Boba Fett in 1313 will show up in the new series, too).

    We know that Paul Lee (ABC) has admitted interest in a live action SW endeavor, and there has been talk of perhaps revisiting (and even revising) the Underworld concept. Who knows, if Disney/Lucasfilm feel that Rebels addresses the 'Dark Times' well enough, and would rather have a live action series focus on a different time period, maybe some of those 50 hours worth of unused scripts can be adjusted enough to be adapted for a future project on ABC (whether set post-ROTJ, TOR, or what have you)?

    I know if it were my call, I'd at least look into trying to get something out of those scripts (whether they be used for their original purpose, or adapted into films, animated shows, an adjusted live action series, novels, comics, video games, etc. Something).
  12. Odolwa Jedi Knight

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    They should just turn the series into Quantum Leap: Star Wars.
  13. DanielUK Jedi Grand Master

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    Star Wars:1313 was supposed to lay the foundation for the live-action series. But, alas, the game was scrapped (which was annoying because the trailer was awesome)
  14. Darth Valkyrus Jedi Master

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    The hypocrisy of Big Hollywood: Disney has abandoned the 1313 trademark, indicating they're not intending to make it. But if some bunch of techies got frustrated with this and said "You know what, **** you! We're gonna run a kickstarter fundraiser and make 1313 ourselves!" you know Disney would hammer them with an infringement lawsuit quicker than you could say thirteen-thirteen.
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  15. ezekiel22x Jedi Grand Master

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    Lucas should rekindle the Underworld concept as a non-Star Wars project. I'd much rather see "Deadwood in space" than Rebels or Episode VII.
  16. credar Jedi Knight

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    If they give us unknownish actors for the children in the ST, they could star in a series that takes place before/between/after the ST. Would be an interesting kind of Dark Tower situation.
  17. TaradosGon Manager Emeritus

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    I only recently found out about it (from the Star Wars wiki), but in the past I've advocated an idea for a series that turned out to pretty much be a description of the Unification Wars. With the EU, as far as I can tell, hardly even touching the conflict/era.

    Such a show would be at the top of my list, whether it be live action or animated.

    And for those that keep clamoring for a Game of Thrones kind of show, it seems like a more optimum time period. Since instead of CIS vs. Republic, Sith Empire vs. Republic, or Rebellion vs. Empire (the Galaxy seems like it always splits neatly in two), it would be about a confederation of systems forming, bringing other systems into their ranks, defending themselves from foreign entities like the remnants of the Rakatan Empire or Hutt systems, and ultimately ending with the signing of the Republic Constitution.

    Interest in The Clone Wars really spawned out of a random conflict that Obi-Wan mentions in ANH, with people like Filoni mentioning that it really sparked their imagination and they wanted to know more about it. But all throughout the movies we hear about the Republic and how great the Republic is, and how there hadn't been a full scale war since it's formation (or reformation, as I understand it) and in the prequels all we see of it is corruption and squabbling.

    I would be interested in seeing a show that has more than two sides in the conflict, takes familiar elements but portrays them in radically different ways (e.g. the Hutts might still be hedonists, but instead of running a criminal Empire under the authority of another state, they actually have an Empire and army of their own), and also seeing why the Republic was so great; getting the chance to see what led up to its formation, made it necessary, and actually seeing it in a positive light.

    It would also make the galaxy smaller in the sense that the human core worlds might begin to branch out and encounter another species that is familiar from the PT or OT, like the Gran. But instead of being amicable compatriots within the Republic as they are in the PT, they might be xenophobic and untrusting of each other. Again, taking the familiar, but portraying it in a radically different way.
    Last edited by TaradosGon, Feb 22, 2014
  18. bstnsx704 Jedi Knight

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    As much as I'd like that, Lucas is still probably in the same predicament as before with no way to keep up with the money per episode that the project demands. And for all we know, the scripts could have been included in the Disney sale.

    Disney, with all of their infinite resources, should have made this show their immediate priority before running in head first with their "a movie every year!" business.
  19. Trebor Sabreon LACWAC-y Mod of SWTV

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    Oh, I think you're right and that it's almost a certainty that the scripts (along with all of the concept art and anything else that Lucasfilm had produced for the show) went along with Lucasfilm in the sale. I cannot imagine why they would not have.

    If Lucasfilm/Disney envisioned Episodes 7, 8 and 9 as something that they were ever going to consider, then I'm strongly in favor of producing them now, while Mark, Carrie, Harrison, Billy Dee, Tony, Frank and Peter (if he can), are still here with us and able to appear. Personally, the idea of the ST finally happening has me more excited than any Lucasfilm project since 1983 (and I very much enjoyed the PT, CW, TCW, etc.).

    But that said, I definitely share in your enthusiasm over the Underworld concept. In fact, as much as I'm looking forward to Rebels, I'd much sooner have had the LAS be the series set in the Episode III-IV Imperial Period that we were getting. For one, I tend to favor live action over animated SW, and the reputed tone, characters and setting of Underworld just appeal more to me than what we know about Rebels so far.

    Still, Disney has said they're interested in exploring more SW on television...
  20. DanielUK Jedi Grand Master

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    I think Underworld will be used to establish more canon pre-Rebels.
    Disney is keen to build a single canon and wishing to add more to the OT lore timeline; as previous members have said, the live-action will happen. But probably not till after the ST.
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  21. TaradosGon Manager Emeritus

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    I just want to see Star Wars take risks with new stuff.

    When Mass Effect came out, I was completely disinterested in it. Had it been a Star Trek game or a Star Wars game, I would have pounced on it. But it was this sci-fi game that I, at the time, wished had been a KOTOR game, and I was not at all interested in playing this game in an unfamiliar setting.

    Fast forward to now, and I've played all three games and find them to be some of the best games I've ever played with an overall good story.

    And I went through the same kind of thing with KOTOR itself. I was more interested in SWG and a game that took place in the familiar OT era. I was more disappointed than anything when I saw some game that was going to take place thousands of years before the films, making returning characters impossible. And in the end, SWG turned into a disappointment and KOTOR is one of my favorite SW games.

    Yeah, there's always that inclination to want to stay in my comfort zone and continue on with eras, characters, etc. that I'm familiar with. But in both cases, I had to eventually just make a leap into a new era or even franchise, and I ended up loving them in their own right.

    So, I understand that people want to endlessly stick with the PT and/or OT eras, but I wish LFL would take greater risks with the future spinoff films and TV shows and dive into time periods and characters far removed from the events of the films. Depending on what gets decided with the EU, this could either re-write the Star Wars history, fill gaps in it, or adapt existing stories to film and/or television.

    But IMO, when someone looks at something like Guardians of the Galaxy and asks "could this be the next Star Wars?" I can't help but laugh. Because to me, what makes Star Wars so unique is the the scope of the universe, including the EU. And even though I never read the EU as a kid, Star Wars just stirred my imagination in a way that made me WANT to know more about the stories of even the most minor characters, even if I didn't read what stories they had.

    Lord of the Rings doesn't do that for me. I don't care about the characters in the background and the Council of Elrond. I have no interest in who that Dwarf is or who that Elf is that we never see again, nor care what their backstory is. Star Wars generates that interest, which is why there are markets for things like Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina or Tales of the Bounty Hunters. And that's something I doubt Guardians of the Galaxy will have - not saying it won't necessarily be good, it just won't be "Star Wars."

    And where I'm going with this is merely to say that Star Wars provokes the imagination for stories of background characters, and histories far removed from the events of the films. And I don't think LFL is really playing to that strength when everything needs to be connected to Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine's Empire in some way, when it comes to TV and film.

    Show me the future or past, with different antagonists and protagonists over giving me more of the Rebels vs. the Empire or Separatists vs. Republic. Show me something else other than the rise and fall of the Empire, or the fall and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. Episode VII will probably be a big move in the right direction, but knowing nothing of the plot, I cannot say.
  22. KED12345 Jedi Master

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  23. Weechee Jedi Padawan

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    also hear it features Powerman and Iron Fist but they can not use Spiderman and certain villians because of Sony having that license still
    Last edited by Weechee, Mar 13, 2014
  24. TaradosGon Manager Emeritus

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    I really depends on when/where the setting for such a show is. I mean, the Netflix Marvel shows - aside from Daredevil - seem to be dealing with C-list characters as best. Agents of Shield gets around most of the heavy CGI by focusing on non-Superheroes. And Daredevil, Luke Cage and Iron Fist do not really require heavy CG as characters like Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, etc. So, I'd expect something more akin to Arrow with these properties, which is more difficult to pull off in a universe where traveling among a bunch of different planets is common place (and exotic planets, not where everyone looks not so different from Earth), with large fleets of ships, vehicles, and filled with droids.

    Marvel's live action endeavors outside of the films seem quite a bit more modest. I don't know how things would look/turn out, if Marvel made a live action Iron Man show. But these heroes also exist in the "real world," in locations like New York. They don't really require expensive sets to sell the idea of taking place in a galaxy far, far away.

    I would think that a Live Action Star Wars show would similarly be a much more modest endeavor than the film counterparts, not focusing on Jedi, or large space battles. Which is why a show set in the Coruscant Underworld seemed more reasonable, while leaving grand space adventures and massive battles to the animated SW universe and the films.

    I mean, they could do something like a miniseries dealing with the ancient Sith like Naga Sadow, and setting it principally on a planet or two (e.g. Korriban), and - like Arrow - making use of the physical prowess of the actors, and avoiding CG as much as possible, relying more on choreographed acrobatic lightsaber fights (but they didn't even use lightsabers in that era, iirc, they had blades).

    I think there are certain stories that rather quickly come off the table when it comes to dealing with a L.A. Star Wars show, and given the grand scope of things like TCW and the films, I'm actually far less intrigued by the prospects of a Live Action film, just because I expect there to be a heavy dose of compromises made regarding what can be done/shown.

    An Underworld/Criminal Empire show could work, and I'd be content with that. But I think animated shows are a safer arena for something as tech heavy as Star Wars. I'm content enough at the prospect of a Live Action Star Wars film every year/every other year.
    Last edited by TaradosGon, Mar 13, 2014
  25. Darth Valkyrus Jedi Master

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    Live action would also be a good vehicle for taking certain characters originally introduced in a kid-friendly animated show and previously having a more light and airy storyline, and steering their arc in a gritty grimdark direction.