Live Action Official Live Action Series Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV' started by fanboyskywalker, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    I would say animation is the safe bet if only there could be an adult action cartoon/animated series. Unfortunately I don't think anyone would watch it seriously since so many people have this stupid notion animation is either for kids or fart jokes. I had a conversation with a friend about this once, about if Walking Dead were an animated series would it still be as popular and successful? We'll need live action for a really dark and mature Star Wars show to be watched. Live action would inevitably would require many compromises.
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  2. TaradosGon SWTV Mod - Like Palpatine with animals

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    I think Live Action would inherently appeal to a wider audience because of the animation-is-for-kids stereotype. But I don't think it's going to lead to anything more "grimdark" or along the lines of Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead. I would assume that it would still try to capture the campy adventure of the films, only with a sacrifice in quality.

    I think a mature Star Wars would be a really tough sell outside of maybe the novels and comics.

    "Hey parents. You've taken your kids to see all of the Star Wars films, you've watched the TV shows, and it's all been one, big family-friendly adventure! But keep your kids home this time, or get ready to monitor what they are watching on Television, because this next show is for mature audiences only!"

    I mean, Marvel has had ultra violent and dark comic lines. Even the current Thunderbolts series has people getting their heads blown off, or stabbed in the face, having their throats slits, etc. And having it be shown. I think such a series would be hard pressed to find a home in television or on film. I think Ryan Reynolds has said that it's been the biggest road block for the Deadpool film he's wanted to get off the ground.

    There are shades of darkness in Star Wars, but I think overall it will remain the same kind of light hearted adventure that it has always been, with moments of AOTC or ROTS style severity, but never having that be the norm when it comes to TV series.

    Plus I just think that making something kid friendly that can also be enjoyed by the parents and people of all ages will make a Star Wars show more profitable than marketing to adults. I'm sure there's a lot of money they'd be missing out on toys, clothes, and other merchandise that they would lose.
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  3. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    Walking Dead is just meant as one example of how the stereotype would work. How do you think it would go over if Agents of Shield were an animated series? Unfortunately I think because of the stereotype any cartoon that is not a prime time comedy is going to be very hard to sell even with the best Star Wars universal writing to adults as well as kids. We get people who come into this forum section from time to time who admit they dismissed TCW just because its a 'cartoon' not so much because TCW does tend to fail at universal writing. Ofcourse Disney could release animated movies and mini series all day on Netflix but I don't think that's worth while as a TV show with a little longevity on ABC.

    Still I would love to see someone try a good prime time action cartoon be it for families or something much more dark and mature.
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    As long as kids can handle ROTS, they should be able to watch any other SW content. So I don't understand wanting a series that is truly too dark, gritty, or violent for kids. That would make it not really feel like SW, and for no good reason. SW as it is can appeal to everyone.
  5. TaradosGon SWTV Mod - Like Palpatine with animals

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    That's why I think the comics are the optimal medium for such experimentation. They are low risk and cheap to make. There was some documentary I watched regarding the history of comics (I forget what it was called), and one thing that was said was that they originated as disposable entertainment. Something cheap that you could read and throw away, and that they were popular among the American troops during WWII for this reason. And that back in the 40s, a successful comic would sell millions of copies, while today it only needs to sell several thousand to be considered a success. I mean, even if one sells 100,000 copies, that seems to be like a phenomenal success anymore.

    So when Marvel does something ultra gritty or dark and violent in its comics, it's low risk. They release a monthly comic and if people don't like it, they cancel it, and the amount of money lost on a monthly released comic is probably pennies compared to the millions of dollars lost if they decide to go for something like a Punisher film and have it flop. I mean, I think the rights to Punisher reverted back to Marvel Studios, iirc, and I think it was stated that they really have no intention of doing anything with the character in he immediate future, while instead they're making Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Doctor Strange, and focusing on family friendly characters.

    Darkhorse or Marvel might (if they haven't already) someday make some grim and gritty comic line for Star Wars like Marvel sometimes does for its superhero properties, but adult Star Wars is something I would be incredibly surprised to ever see hit the screen. And while Underworld was said to deal with topics like crime and drugs in the Star Wars universe, I think the "adult" nature of that show was exaggerated, because even when Obi-Wan and Anakin visit the Pykes, we see the leader puffing on something (Spice?) and doing drugs, and having his hall seeming like its court was collectively doped up on something, and yet TCW remains a kid friendly show.
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  6. Dark Lord Tarkas Force Ghost

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    Seriously? I had no idea circulation was that low. That's actually pretty depressing to hear.
  7. Seerow SWTV★Mod

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    The point I am trying to make just to clarify it is very unlikely animated Star Wars show on something ABC would get off the ground very well because all animation has the stereotype that is for kids unless its like Family Guy. I know Star Wars is meant to be; fun, campy, escapism. Wouldn't want anything else from it. If I want ultraviolet violent messed up 'cartoon' I'll rewatch Elfen Lied. I want live action violence I can just watch the news.
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  8. TaradosGon SWTV Mod - Like Palpatine with animals

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    I agree that there is an animation-is-for-kids stereotype, and that Agents of Shield probably would have been dismissed off hand by many, if it were animated, even if the cast and stories were exactly the same.

    But Star Wars I think has other considerations unique to it, principally in regards to costs of CGI, set construction, and on location shooting.

    Star Trek was another Sci-Fi franchise, but 90% of those shows seem to take place on the main ship (or space station in the case of DS9), so they could just re-use the same set over and over and over again for virtually every episode.

    Same with BSG.

    Trying to set such a high percentage of a Star Wars show in a single location I feel will make it just not feel like Star Wars. Star Wars has a great variety of locations that I think exploring in every episode would jack the price up to be prohibitive. I would be skeptical of the success of a Star Wars show, not because I think animation is better or anything like that, but just because it wouldn't require the same degree of cost saving compromises that I would anticipate for a Star Wars LAS.

    Take a property like Batman. It works in a cartoon, it works in films, and I think it would work just fine in live action. It wouldn't be prohibitively expensive to make a suit, have choreographed fights that forgo any CGI, and shoot on location in some major city, or even in a studio.

    But take something like Thor, and it works in a cartoon, it works in a multi-million dollar film, but I don't think you can really do all the same stuff in regards to special effects, compromises I think would have to be made, to quite a large degree.

    I think Star Wars is more like the latter. The films have the money to pull out all the stops in action, CGI, shooting on location around the world, creating elaborate sets, etc. The animated series aren't limited by real assets like that and everything is generated on a computer, and the shortcomings there seem to be merely in the number of character models or the technological ability to emulate certain textures, but otherwise can have large scale battles, multiple locations, etc. for far cheaper.

    A TV series is somewhere in between, and doesn't really have the strengths of either millions upon millions of dollars nor slower paced shooting schedule of a film, nor the luxury of generating everything on a computer like in animation. And the faced paced environment, more limited budget, and therefore more limited resources I think would make it more difficult for a Star Wars LAS to get off the ground, unless they do like Star Trek and set much of the show in the same location. Like if the entire thing takes place in the Coruscant Underworld and we never (or rarely) leave Coruscant, then they could probably just recycle the same sets over and over again as the characters frequent the same locations. But that would be unusual for a Star Wars property and to stave off the boredom of being "grounded" in one place, the writing has to be better and the character relationships very interesting to carry the show.
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  9. AndyLGR Jedi Master

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    The prospect of a TV show was an exciting one when it was announced a little while back, and I must admit I haven't kept up to date with the status of that. I'm assuming they aren't going ahead with it now and are concentrating on the movies instead of making a TV series?

    Personally I always thought the future of SW was still on the big screen and so its turned out to be the case. But I must admit the Disney news took me by surprise.

    There are many cool aspects of the SW uiverse that could be brought to life. The problem I envisaged with a TV show is do they make is as sweeping and epic as the films or TCW cartoon? Or do they make it more centralised with the bulk of the story taking place in one main location (Coruscant for instance) with other smaller sub stories in other parts of the galaxy. Also there would have to be a main plot line consistently through the series, whether that be the rebellion effort or the sith control of the galaxy, but I think it would quickly become boring if it was just standalone stories every week featuring different characters, a s TV audiences I think need characters to identify with and grow to love.

    Another question, is SW popular enough for a prime time TV show? A successful movie doesn't necessarily translate into a successful TV series.
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  10. themetresgained Jedi Grand Master

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    I'd love a SW live action TV series just for me - I'm thinking something like the new BSG, which tackles a whole lot of issues and concepts within a fairly limited framework - but it wouldn't fly in a commercial sense.
  11. rdhight Jedi Grand Master

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    I think one thing that makes Star Wars "Star Wars" is the sort of kaleidoscope of topics that are woven together without any one of them becoming too defining. There's crime, war, family drama, money and politics, romance, the religious/monkish aspects of the Jedi, investigation/quest elements, lightsaber duels, fast driving/flying, morality... but Star Wars isn't really "about" any one of those things. It's not even about war in the same sense that a Platoon or Three Kings is about war. It doesn't dwell on any one thing in the way that, say, an Iron Man movie dwells on technological innovation.

    In a TV show, you just can't involve that many topics that fast, even if you had the money. Either the creators will go crazy, or viewers will. The Clone Wars fought hard against this problem at times, but even there, some arcs, to me, felt like way too much tight focus on one tiny thing. Star Wars thrives on the intercutting and interlacing of sub-stories, and that's not an area where TV excels, especially not live-action TV.
  12. thejeditraitor Force Ghost

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    you can also get away with more in animation than in live-action. tcw had some gritty stuff like pre-vizla spoiler.
  13. darkchrono Force Ghost

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    I might have checked out Battlestar Galactica if it weren't on the syfy channel. Syfy channel programs are horrid in my opinion. I enjoy the science fiction genre but I havn't ever been able to sit through something made from the syfy channel.
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  14. themetresgained Jedi Grand Master

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    Go watch Battlestar, dude.
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  15. pronker Force Ghost

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    Battlestar Galactica is the only thing I've watched on syfy, and I can unequivocally recommend it for characterization, story and wise use of special effects. The old '70's show, while appealing, did not have the depth that this series evoked.
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    Battlestar Galactica transcends the SyFy channel, dude. Definitely give it a watch. From beginning to end, it is one of the most spectacular television programs I have ever watched.

    The fact that Ron Moore was so heavily involved with the live action Star Wars series has me all the more upset that it never came into being.
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  17. BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost

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    Battlestar Galatica with X-Wings could be a way to do a Star Wars on a TV budget. But if they're doing the rampant planet hopping that happens in the movies, that would be way more cost prohibitive. There was planet hopping on Star Trek but the Trek-verse doesn't have the insane amount of diversity from planet to planet that Star Wars does.
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  20. Young Yoda Jedi Master

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    All of this comes from Stephen Scaia, one of the writers.

    http://makingstarwars.net/2014/06/star-wars-underworld-featured-han-met-chewie-lando-losing-falcon/
  21. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    I want to yell at someone but I'm at work and I think it would probably be frowned upon. Why can't you make this, Disney?! Please. :p
  22. StarWarsFan91 Force Ghost

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    I would like a darker tv show set during the dark times, would be a welcome change from the more kid friendly version known as Rebels.
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  23. my kind of scum Force Ghost

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    I hate hearing more about this show that never came to be... It's just depressing. Honestly, from everything we've heard, I would rather have this show than a sequel trilogy.
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  24. Trebor Sabreon Force Ghost

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    I personally wouldn't go that far, as the ST is quite literally the Star Wars story I've been waiting to see since 1983.

    But that said, everything we've come to know about Star Wars: Underworld sounds absolutely terrific to my ears and, as much as I am looking forward to the new series this fall, I'd have gladly, gladly traded Rebels for the Live Action Show.

    Please Disney/Lucasfilm, please try to get this show to us in one form or another.
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  25. Darth Chiznuk Chosen One

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    I still have faith that it'll be made. Especially with Tony To aboard.
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