Discussion Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Spoilers Allowed' started by YoureNotJonesy, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    What makes you think it'll even have Luke?
  2. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    That's what I'm wondering as well. despite Luke's central role, the films were essentially the legacy of Anakin Skywalker. I think it would be interesting to see a descendant of the Skywalker line be approached by this legacy in a time of crisis. That would also explain why Vader is apparently returning in the trilogy. His redeemed self could be seen as the Obi Wan spirit guide for a new character generations down the line.

    I think that the benefits of this approach should be obvious. Move the timeline forward to have a complete blank slate, leaves the entire galaxy open and doesn't steamroll.
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  3. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    Did I miss something? Where did that info originate?
  4. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    How about the fact that 1) Lucas and Hamill over the last 30 years have consistently discussed the sequel trilogy as being about the continuation of Luke's journey, 2) Episode VII being based on Lucas' own notes and 3) Lucas meeting with Hamill back in August?
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  5. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Go back to the Zahn quote. Lucas changes his mind on a whim. Nothing is set in stone at this point. Speculation remember?
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  6. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    >Implying they will do everything Lucas says to a T
    > Implying they have to
    >Implying a consultant is the same as having total authority
    > Implying Lucas is consistent
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  7. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    Nothing is certain, but common sense suggests Luke will be returning, played by Mark Hamill. Feel free to bury your head in the sand if you wish.

    Then there's the matter of "What will guarantee bums in seats better than anything else?" There has to be some connective tissue linking episodes VI and VII.
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  8. Mystery Roach Chosen One

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    Regardless of his current role in the hierarchy, Lucas is the ultimate authority on Star Wars. And when it comes to his story, you can bet that his ideas will be respected and utilized by Kennedy and Iger. He chose these people for a reason.
  9. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    Now look, you're sniping back, and this is what perpetuates these arguments. ESG accuses you of implying theory as fact, you shoot back and accuse him of being ignorant.

    Common sense might mean that Luke comes back, but there is no guarantee. So you can't really call someone ignorant of something that isn't set in stone. With the rumor (yes, it was a rumor of Vader's resurrection) about Vader's return, the same can be said of Luke. Generations of skywalkers that have become one with the force to guide a new hero. Father and son watching their descendants together.

    So can we stop the back and forth baiting to discuss what might happen? The only things guaranteed are that the films are coming, and they are set after Jedi. Everything else is up in the air.
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  10. Darth_Zandalor Force Ghost

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    That is worrying. Lucas choosing who to work with often ends up with people so spineless that there is nobody to challenge his authority.
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  11. leiamoody Force Ghost

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    Agreed. Lucas is the only and ultimate reason why there is anything called "Star Wars" that random people all over the world can debate about until infinity.
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  12. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    The only meaningful way to discuss what might happen is to weight probabilities according to the evidence we have. Claiming that "we just don't know" (paraphrased) is disingenuous when we do have reason to believe some elements are more likely to appear than others. Luke may not appear, but he most likely will. Continuity with,the EU may be totally respected, but it most likely won't.

    "You don't know that!" is not an argument against these likelihoods any more than "Were you there?" is an argument against evolution.
  13. Han Shot First Jedi Master

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    I think it would be really cool if it included no EU at all!
  14. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    The fact that things like Coruscant got used in the PT is meaningless. People always bring that stuff up but ignore how the prequels contradicted dozens of things from the EU.
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  15. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Not really. Aside from some throwaway lines the Eu was perfectly intact

    Hell Lucas didn't allow anyone to even touch the PT era before it was out
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  16. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    Just because there weren't novels set in the PT era doesn't mean there can't be contradictions. Just look at the Thrawn Trilogy. I'm sure these things can be retconned some convoluted way, but the fact of the matter is Lucas just didn't care about contradicting the books.
  17. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    I reiterate. They just contradicted throwaway lines to events that weren't shown until decades later. It was barely anything at all. And Lucas is a consultant. He's not in charge to begin with
  18. Jedi Merkurian Episode VII Thread-Reaper and Rumor Naysayer

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    Oh, I’ve read most of the NJO series. Didn’t love it ;)
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  19. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    "I reiterate. They just contradicted throwaway lines to events that weren't shown until decades later. It was barely anything at all. And Lucas is a consultant. He's not in charge to begin with"

    Throwaway lines? What makes some lines throwaway and others canon? Besides, pretty much the entire backstory of Zahn's trilogy makes no sense now after the prequels.

    And if Lucas didn't care about contradicting the EU, why would Disney?
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  20. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Uh wut
    Each to their own I guess
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  21. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    Originally the Clone Wars were set much earlier, and the clones were fighting against the Republic, not for it.

    And didn't Darth Vader supposedly find the Noghri during the Clone Wars?
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  22. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    Clone uprising of Kamino says hello
    They even retconned the Clone Masters to be the Kamino who led them
    More like their world got poisoned during it and Vader found them immediately after the Empire is formed
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  23. Artoo-Dion Force Ghost

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    Yeah, that's called a retcon. It's used to patch-over inconsistencies by ignoring the original intent of the text.
  24. kubricklynch Jedi Grand Master

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    "Clone uprising of Kamino says hello
    They even retconned the Clone Masters to be the Kamino who led them"

    I don't really follow the EU anymore, so I don't know about all that. But none of that was the original intent of Zahn.
  25. Esg Jedi Grand Master

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    >Implying I should care over something not even shown would not be contradicted by something decades later
    > It's very different from something utterly **** on it's entire mythos like you keep implying
    >Never playing Battlefront

    I am disappoint

    And who care about the original intent about a war he couldn't even write about and had no idea about due to the PT not even being finished
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