ST Official Sequel Trilogy / Legends / Expanded Universe discussion thread

Uh huh.

 

Good luck with coming up with something better than a falling moon.

 

It's family friendly....Chewie got sent to the farm and lived happily ever after with all the other lap dogs.

 

Really? It seems that most people here are sure they know it's fate.

 

Does anyone know if folks from DR/LFL look at these boards? If they do then they must be aware that a lot of people are very invested in the existing post Jedi EU. Some kind of statement on where it fits in (if at all) wouldn't break anyone's balls. Personally I'd be happy with a clean restart post ROTJ (Crucible tied a nice bow around the EU box for me), I understand that others don't feel that way though and if that scenario comes to pass then I sympathise. I just think it would be better all round if everyone knew where they stood.

 

That's true, there shouldn't be a NEW GALACTIC THREAT all the time, the galaxy doesn't need to be destroyed every few years. EU fans have been saying this for years now.

But I'd also just like to say that the status quo isn't really sustainable, either. The EU has to promise something more than background and minor things eventually, otherwise there's a lot less incentive to stick with it. You can only read so many stories about that bounty hunter we ran into on Ord Mantell. It just sorta becomes irrelevant if it's nothing more than "hey, check out this tiny irrelevant story that doesn't matter, it totally explores the motivation of that one alien standing in the background in Ep VII".

Since this is Star Wars, it's about balance.

 

ITA. Also, it's easy to say they shouldn't have done this or that in the post-ROTJ EU now that we know new films are coming. The fact of the matter was we were all told there weren't more films coming - and that the era was open for the publishers with the license to do what they wanted within the LFL framework.

 

We were talking about what they should do going forward.

 

I'm specifically talking about the criticism that has been leveled at the EU as it stands now.

 

I can't wait till we're all debating how canon the EU 2.0 is and the nonstop arguments over stuff like "But in this EU comic, that character falls in love with this new character so OBVIOUSLY he must show up in episode 8" or "Will this EU event be mentioned in episode 8?". You know...the same arguments we are having now but now we have a whole new EU and less knowledge of its its more-or-less-or-equally canon as EU 1.0. This is gunna be fun

EDIT: Do you think EU 2.0 is going to be more canon than the first EU or just like EU 1.0 (assuming its not used) where its just a bunch of add on events that are just there to keep us entertained but aren't meant to be serious canon or have any impact on the films?

 

It'd be great to have a story that has an ending, though. When does any long-running multi-media tie-in franchise actually get those? (Which, if there isn't any more post ROTJ EU made, then it ends at Crucible). Stack 'em all together and line 'em up. That's your story.

"Shatterpoint" was brought up a post above you and it's an excellent point as to how spin-off materiel can work and can be handled. It's a great read and it doesn't directly affect anything inside of the movies, however it does provide lots and lots of insight and motivation to the character of Mace Windu, which actually makes the character better. That's when it all clicks and what you get out of tie-in books, not moon-on-wookie big-scale shocks but deepening and enriching the world of the film you're watching.

Both Dave Felloni and Chee / Hidalgo mentioned a more cohesive continuity going forward, so that would mean stuff like, say in the latest Star Trek movie there's a reference to "Mudd's ship" that they fly to the Klingons and if you read "Countdown to Darkness" comic tie-in, you find out about how they got "Mudd's ship". Now, it's not as if somebody wrote a comic in advance and then the movie tied it in, it worked backwards. The movie has XYZ plot point and then a various spin-off materiel fills in the who/what/where of XYZ. However, if the film viewer doesn't know a damn thing about XYZ, it doesn't matter. Since Abrams grand plan for Star Trek was pulling together threads like that, and with this new "story team" at Lucasfilm, expect to see those things happen.

Basically, the entire point of a tie-in materiel book is to add shading in between the lines, not draw the direction of the lines. That's what the movies are there for.

 

You might find it interesting that Star Trek tie in material isn't canon.

Back to wars, can we expect a "Tatooine-1" and a "Tatooine-2"?

 

Except there is the whole Legacy Comic volume 1 and 2 series' that were left out. And Crucible was a terrible finale. The Unifying Force worked but not Crucible.

 

Nah, the movie-writer, Bob Orci, certified any tie-in's he worked on as canon, so that includes the game and the comics.

Roberto Orci: OK, based on that then with you Anthony Pascale as a witness, I hereby declare anything that we oversee to be canon.
TrekMovie.com: OK! Do we need to get that in writing? Do we need to get the ghost of Gene Roddenberry to notarize this?
Roberto Orci: Let’s call his son Rod, I’ve got him on speed dial.

 

tvtropes says the opposite.

 

See, now it's a semantic argument because, yes, it was not canon beforehand, but the guy who currently works on the Star Trek film and tie-in materiel flat out said "I herby declare anything that we oversee to be canon." So, I mean, how much more official can you get? They tried to get the ghost of Gene Roddenbery to notarize it!

 

I meant that tvtropes quotes Orci as saying, "It's not canon."

 

They gotta update their sources, then. Actually, the long sordid history is (which is laid out the Countdown article on Memory Alpha which has links to the timeline of events) is that someone got his in grill about canon of the first "Countdown" mini, he said it wasn't canon, then later on in the above interview about a year later, he said it was. So, yes, it popped in and out of the canon rabbit hole for a bit, but now he has hereby declared it canon.

 

thanks BigAl

 

Also, I read the interview you linked to and it seems that Orci gave in to fan pressure. I, unlike many fans, prefer that canon include as few things as possible, not as many things as possible. And I hate when creators give in to fans.

 

Ecellent point.

 

Yeah. If EU 1.0's fate is to be a story that has a definite end, then so be it. But I'd like it to be a satisfying ending. Over the next two years before Episode 7 comes out, write one last major series starring Ben, Allana, Jaina, and Vestara that gives us a strong conclusion for the big EU characters. I could be a lot happier with that than a "suddenly cancel the Sword of the Jedi series, and we never see the word 'Vestara' written again" scenario.